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	<title>Comments on: SureFire KROMA and U2 Ultra LED Flashlights</title>
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		<title>By: EsoxLucius</title>
		<link>http://the-gadgeteer.com/2007/12/03/surefire_kroma_and_u2_ultra_led_flashlights/comment-page-1/#comment-113911</link>
		<dc:creator>EsoxLucius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 16:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The SureFire B1R-BK Beast wades in at £3200 - that must be the world&#039;s most expensive flashlight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The SureFire B1R-BK Beast wades in at £3200 &#8211; that must be the world&#8217;s most expensive flashlight.</p>
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		<title>By: SureFire&#8217;s (Nearly Indestructible) Pens — The Gadgeteer</title>
		<link>http://the-gadgeteer.com/2007/12/03/surefire_kroma_and_u2_ultra_led_flashlights/comment-page-1/#comment-35379</link>
		<dc:creator>SureFire&#8217;s (Nearly Indestructible) Pens — The Gadgeteer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 05:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] be honest, before I reviewed the KROMA and U2 Ultra LED Flashlights I had never heard of SureFire. But after using several of their extremely well made flashlights, I [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Luminaris</title>
		<link>http://the-gadgeteer.com/2007/12/03/surefire_kroma_and_u2_ultra_led_flashlights/comment-page-1/#comment-29390</link>
		<dc:creator>Luminaris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SureFire does indeed make a great product, many of their lights have literally withstood explosions, but there is no large-scale manufacturing that can guarantee 100% flawlessness. There are many reported cases of U2 / Kroma / other SF lights switches failing, and at this price point, I&#039;d be pretty disappointed. Not to mention they claim to use premium-bin emitters yet many have found Cree !!!-
P3-!!! (3 bond-wire older XR-E bin) in some uf SF&#039;s latest LED offerings. No worries though, SureFire&#039;s customer service is excellent, and this perfectly compliments their lifetime guarantees. That being said, I have a few of the newest Led Lensers (P7 and two P14&#039;s), and they are also pretty tough, and having put one of my P14&#039;s through extremely hard usage, I can say that they are quite reliable as well. As Jim O&#039; Connor said, don&#039;t knock it until you have tried it. The spot beam from the P7 easily blows away the max level on my U2, as well as the main max on the Kroma, and the P14&#039;s spot beam is nearly two times the brightness of the P7&#039;s. Some will complain about no regulation, blah blah blah, but with the P7 and the P14, using four 1.5v cells for 6 volts, coupled with using just one emitter gives this light a decent output-to-runtime curve that actually surpasses many lights that DO have semi-regulated circuits, so it gives this performance with no complex circuitry to fail. K.eep I.t S.imple, S.tupid. A great marriage of simplicity and performance in my opinion. It all depends on exactly what you want in a light!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SureFire does indeed make a great product, many of their lights have literally withstood explosions, but there is no large-scale manufacturing that can guarantee 100% flawlessness. There are many reported cases of U2 / Kroma / other SF lights switches failing, and at this price point, I&#8217;d be pretty disappointed. Not to mention they claim to use premium-bin emitters yet many have found Cree !!!-<br />
P3-!!! (3 bond-wire older XR-E bin) in some uf SF&#8217;s latest LED offerings. No worries though, SureFire&#8217;s customer service is excellent, and this perfectly compliments their lifetime guarantees. That being said, I have a few of the newest Led Lensers (P7 and two P14&#8242;s), and they are also pretty tough, and having put one of my P14&#8242;s through extremely hard usage, I can say that they are quite reliable as well. As Jim O&#8217; Connor said, don&#8217;t knock it until you have tried it. The spot beam from the P7 easily blows away the max level on my U2, as well as the main max on the Kroma, and the P14&#8242;s spot beam is nearly two times the brightness of the P7&#8242;s. Some will complain about no regulation, blah blah blah, but with the P7 and the P14, using four 1.5v cells for 6 volts, coupled with using just one emitter gives this light a decent output-to-runtime curve that actually surpasses many lights that DO have semi-regulated circuits, so it gives this performance with no complex circuitry to fail. K.eep I.t S.imple, S.tupid. A great marriage of simplicity and performance in my opinion. It all depends on exactly what you want in a light!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim O'Connor</title>
		<link>http://the-gadgeteer.com/2007/12/03/surefire_kroma_and_u2_ultra_led_flashlights/comment-page-1/#comment-29075</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim O'Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, gentlemen, Surefire makes a great product. I have, in the past, owned one. However, I have owned several Coast Lenser flashlights, the latest being the T-7 Tactical (170 lumens focusable, three brightness levels, under $100).
The quality and robustness of their products are second to none!  I have shown the T-7 to a number of law enforcement and emergency people and they have all been blown away by the brightness and distance of the beam this flashlight produces.  I carry it everywhere, (along with my CCW) and would stake my life on it anytime.  Don&#039;t knock a product until you have tried it.  Incidently, Coast guarantees these lights for life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, gentlemen, Surefire makes a great product. I have, in the past, owned one. However, I have owned several Coast Lenser flashlights, the latest being the T-7 Tactical (170 lumens focusable, three brightness levels, under $100).<br />
The quality and robustness of their products are second to none!  I have shown the T-7 to a number of law enforcement and emergency people and they have all been blown away by the brightness and distance of the beam this flashlight produces.  I carry it everywhere, (along with my CCW) and would stake my life on it anytime.  Don&#8217;t knock a product until you have tried it.  Incidently, Coast guarantees these lights for life.</p>
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		<title>By: hagbard</title>
		<link>http://the-gadgeteer.com/2007/12/03/surefire_kroma_and_u2_ultra_led_flashlights/comment-page-1/#comment-24687</link>
		<dc:creator>hagbard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 20:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I must agree with Steve.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My primary torch is a Surefire Aviator.   It was one of the first to use the low power LED (red) and a Xenon lamp for full power.   People are always amazed that a little torch like that can pump out 50 lumens.   I have illuminated the underside of clouds more than once with a flashlight I could easily conceal in one hand.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I willl shortly be buying this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Surefire-G2-LED-Black-Lumens-Runtime/dp/B000YZ5QZA/ref=pd&lt;em&gt;bbs&lt;/em&gt;sr_4?ie=UTF8&amp;s=sporting-goods&amp;qid=1201374922&amp;sr=8-4
The basic LED G2 doesn&#039;t have the variable output but screams out 80 lumens and lasts a long time.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;RE: 123a&#039;s.   The previous comment stands.   The 123a battery has unbelievable shelf life which is vital when you&#039;ve put the torch in your bag or night table.   You always want to know that when you push the button it&#039;s going to work, regardless if it&#039;s been 10 months since you last pushed that button. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There is plenty of room in the world for consumer flashlights, but if you want something you can rely on, you can&#039;t beat a surefire.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must agree with Steve.</p>
<p>My primary torch is a Surefire Aviator.   It was one of the first to use the low power LED (red) and a Xenon lamp for full power.   People are always amazed that a little torch like that can pump out 50 lumens.   I have illuminated the underside of clouds more than once with a flashlight I could easily conceal in one hand.</p>
<p>I willl shortly be buying this one:<br />
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Surefire-G2-LED-Black-Lumens-Runtime/dp/B000YZ5QZA/ref=pd" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Surefire-G2-LED-Black-Lumens-Runtime/dp/B000YZ5QZA/ref=pd</a><em>bbs</em>sr_4?ie=UTF8&amp;s=sporting-goods&amp;qid=1201374922&amp;sr=8-4<br />
The basic LED G2 doesn&#8217;t have the variable output but screams out 80 lumens and lasts a long time.  </p>
<p>RE: 123a&#8217;s.   The previous comment stands.   The 123a battery has unbelievable shelf life which is vital when you&#8217;ve put the torch in your bag or night table.   You always want to know that when you push the button it&#8217;s going to work, regardless if it&#8217;s been 10 months since you last pushed that button. </p>
<p>There is plenty of room in the world for consumer flashlights, but if you want something you can rely on, you can&#8217;t beat a surefire.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Yee</title>
		<link>http://the-gadgeteer.com/2007/12/03/surefire_kroma_and_u2_ultra_led_flashlights/comment-page-1/#comment-24686</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Yee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 00:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Uli,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I disagree.  Your particular example that you quote is actually made by a company called Coast Cutlery - which in turn gets it from a Chinese manufacturer which relabels the same products to people like Home Depot, Lowes, Winchester, Leatherman, and others.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also - basic electronics tell people that something that produces that level of light requires a goodly amount of current and voltage to produce.  Three AAA batteries doesn&#039;t give you a lot of current.  A single AA battery can give 1.5 times the current of a single AAA.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;SureFire produces flashlights that are designed to work every time you push the tail cap button.  Period.  I challenge someone to find a police officer or soldier who would stake their life on using a Coast Cutlery LED flashlight.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also - the commentary by reviewer Dave Rees with regards to these flashlights not using a standard battery is somewhat disingenuous.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The CR123A series batteries are &lt;em&gt;VERY&lt;/em&gt; common.  Used by cameras for over 20 years (that I remember personally), it provides a high density of power combined with a long stable shelf life and can handle large amounts of power draw.  You can purchase them anywhere from Target to CVS to Radio Shack.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;With regards to the run time on the SureFire U2 on high - SureFire states in various marketing documentation that you will get at least 1 hour on high power.  This has been tested and verified in various Flashlight review forums.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And for the &quot;Money is no object&quot; comment.  You can purchase a SureFire flashlight for as low as $38 USD.  It&#039;s as durable and as strong as the most expensive ones.  You pay for the features you want - you want multi-LED colors or multi-levels, you pay for that feature.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There are a lot of people who need multi-color or multi-level LED flashlights.  Pilots, mechanics, and others utilize colors at various brightness levels to look at fluids, maps, and other things to help preserve night vision or do quick identification of items.  Variable levels on both flashlights help preserve battery life and maximize their use, but you still have full power if needed.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Disclaimer - Yes, I own SureFire flashlights, from the plebian G2 that you can purchase for $38 to the Kroma at a list price of $299.  I would be more than happy to say that I trust my life to every single one of their lights that I own.  They turn on and work every time I pull one out to use it.  Who else (other than SureFire, Pelican, and Streamlight) can guarantee that level of durability and dependability?  My oldest SureFires power up and still work as advertised - 18 years later.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Regards,
Steve&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uli,</p>
<p>I disagree.  Your particular example that you quote is actually made by a company called Coast Cutlery &#8211; which in turn gets it from a Chinese manufacturer which relabels the same products to people like Home Depot, Lowes, Winchester, Leatherman, and others.</p>
<p>Also &#8211; basic electronics tell people that something that produces that level of light requires a goodly amount of current and voltage to produce.  Three AAA batteries doesn&#8217;t give you a lot of current.  A single AA battery can give 1.5 times the current of a single AAA.  </p>
<p>SureFire produces flashlights that are designed to work every time you push the tail cap button.  Period.  I challenge someone to find a police officer or soldier who would stake their life on using a Coast Cutlery LED flashlight.  </p>
<p>Also &#8211; the commentary by reviewer Dave Rees with regards to these flashlights not using a standard battery is somewhat disingenuous.  </p>
<p>The CR123A series batteries are <em>VERY</em> common.  Used by cameras for over 20 years (that I remember personally), it provides a high density of power combined with a long stable shelf life and can handle large amounts of power draw.  You can purchase them anywhere from Target to CVS to Radio Shack.</p>
<p>With regards to the run time on the SureFire U2 on high &#8211; SureFire states in various marketing documentation that you will get at least 1 hour on high power.  This has been tested and verified in various Flashlight review forums.</p>
<p>And for the &#8220;Money is no object&#8221; comment.  You can purchase a SureFire flashlight for as low as $38 USD.  It&#8217;s as durable and as strong as the most expensive ones.  You pay for the features you want &#8211; you want multi-LED colors or multi-levels, you pay for that feature.  </p>
<p>There are a lot of people who need multi-color or multi-level LED flashlights.  Pilots, mechanics, and others utilize colors at various brightness levels to look at fluids, maps, and other things to help preserve night vision or do quick identification of items.  Variable levels on both flashlights help preserve battery life and maximize their use, but you still have full power if needed.</p>
<p>Disclaimer &#8211; Yes, I own SureFire flashlights, from the plebian G2 that you can purchase for $38 to the Kroma at a list price of $299.  I would be more than happy to say that I trust my life to every single one of their lights that I own.  They turn on and work every time I pull one out to use it.  Who else (other than SureFire, Pelican, and Streamlight) can guarantee that level of durability and dependability?  My oldest SureFires power up and still work as advertised &#8211; 18 years later.  </p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Uli</title>
		<link>http://the-gadgeteer.com/2007/12/03/surefire_kroma_and_u2_ultra_led_flashlights/comment-page-1/#comment-24685</link>
		<dc:creator>Uli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The prices are ridiculous! 
There&#039;s better value on the market: No idea about the US availability - but the LED Lenser &quot;Hokus Focus&quot;, a focusable LED flashlight from the german manufacturer ZweibrÃ¼der sells for around 60 Euros, features a variable beam and a brightness of 83 lumens - and it runs on three stock AAA batteries. By far the best flashlight I ever had - and, working in pest control, I had a few.
That&#039;s what it looks like: http://www.zweibrueder.com/produkte/stabundtaschenlampen/fokussierbareledlenser/ledlenserhokusfokus.html&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The prices are ridiculous!<br />
There&#8217;s better value on the market: No idea about the US availability &#8211; but the LED Lenser &#8220;Hokus Focus&#8221;, a focusable LED flashlight from the german manufacturer ZweibrÃ¼der sells for around 60 Euros, features a variable beam and a brightness of 83 lumens &#8211; and it runs on three stock AAA batteries. By far the best flashlight I ever had &#8211; and, working in pest control, I had a few.<br />
That&#8217;s what it looks like: <a href="http://www.zweibrueder.com/produkte/stabundtaschenlampen/fokussierbareledlenser/ledlenserhokusfokus.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.zweibrueder.com/produkte/stabundtaschenlampen/fokussierbareledlenser/ledlenserhokusfokus.html</a></p>
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