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	<title>Comments on: Keylock Biometric Fingerprint Door Lock</title>
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		<title>By: d cooper</title>
		<link>http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/11/21/keylock_biometric_fingerprint_door_lock/comment-page-1/#comment-98659</link>
		<dc:creator>d cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2011 15:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks! It was driving me crazy. I saw that ring but I thought it was screwed in with tiny screws. i didn&#039;t think it rotated. The pliers ( old term} did the trick.

By the way, the written instructions are so funny. Maybe this was made in North Korea because they state when trying to program the fingerlock, &quot;Try to select a finger that is not scarred, dry, or excessively worn.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks! It was driving me crazy. I saw that ring but I thought it was screwed in with tiny screws. i didn&#8217;t think it rotated. The pliers ( old term} did the trick.</p>
<p>By the way, the written instructions are so funny. Maybe this was made in North Korea because they state when trying to program the fingerlock, &#8220;Try to select a finger that is not scarred, dry, or excessively worn.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Kuch</title>
		<link>http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/11/21/keylock_biometric_fingerprint_door_lock/comment-page-1/#comment-98547</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Kuch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 11:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a small ring that screws between the handle and cover on the inside that normally requires a special tool to remove, however, you can use a pair of channel locks to loosen it and remove it.  You can see the ring in the first picture of the review.  It&#039;s laying on the intructions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a small ring that screws between the handle and cover on the inside that normally requires a special tool to remove, however, you can use a pair of channel locks to loosen it and remove it.  You can see the ring in the first picture of the review.  It&#8217;s laying on the intructions.</p>
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		<title>By: DAVID COOPER</title>
		<link>http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/11/21/keylock_biometric_fingerprint_door_lock/comment-page-1/#comment-98538</link>
		<dc:creator>DAVID COOPER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 04:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how do i get the cover off to replace the batteries on the 6600-86. i bought the house with the lock and cannot figure it out. thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how do i get the cover off to replace the batteries on the 6600-86. i bought the house with the lock and cannot figure it out. thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: eReplacementParts</title>
		<link>http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/11/21/keylock_biometric_fingerprint_door_lock/comment-page-1/#comment-84381</link>
		<dc:creator>eReplacementParts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 21:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like these things, but I don&#039;t like how easy they are to disable from the outside. There are plenty of ways to get that battery cover off, take out the batteries and screw someone over. Just saying, They are still pretty cool though :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like these things, but I don&#8217;t like how easy they are to disable from the outside. There are plenty of ways to get that battery cover off, take out the batteries and screw someone over. Just saying, They are still pretty cool though <img src='http://the-gadgeteer.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/11/21/keylock_biometric_fingerprint_door_lock/comment-page-1/#comment-59282</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The review peeked my interest in keypad locks also.  I subsequently purchased 3 Schlage units and have had them for about a year.  No worries about lost keys and I can give unique codes to relatives to allow them entry to different buildings on my property.  Bought my units on Ebay for about 30% less than in the retail stores.

Bill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The review peeked my interest in keypad locks also.  I subsequently purchased 3 Schlage units and have had them for about a year.  No worries about lost keys and I can give unique codes to relatives to allow them entry to different buildings on my property.  Bought my units on Ebay for about 30% less than in the retail stores.</p>
<p>Bill</p>
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		<title>By: Drew Texas</title>
		<link>http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/11/21/keylock_biometric_fingerprint_door_lock/comment-page-1/#comment-59278</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 10:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Digital combination locks from home depot or lowes, I have installed them on my whole families homes and they have worked great for 2+ years, no battery issues, there is a key back up and the things beep if they need new batteries (which has only happened in 1 of many locks in 2 years) I wouldn&#039;t use rechargable&#039;s they run out much faster. Buy energizer or duracell lithium ion (a little more expensive) batteries and don&#039;t mess with them for years. Never had a security problem, You can set pass codes that only work once or in a given window of time so you can give a temp pass code to friends or the maid, etc. Don&#039;t buy a model that physically turns the dead bolt for you, that is a waste of your battery life. Get one where you punch the code to unlock it then you turn the deadbolt yourself. That is all the advice I can think of. Again, I am completely satisfied and the locks I own cost about $110. Well worth it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Digital combination locks from home depot or lowes, I have installed them on my whole families homes and they have worked great for 2+ years, no battery issues, there is a key back up and the things beep if they need new batteries (which has only happened in 1 of many locks in 2 years) I wouldn&#8217;t use rechargable&#8217;s they run out much faster. Buy energizer or duracell lithium ion (a little more expensive) batteries and don&#8217;t mess with them for years. Never had a security problem, You can set pass codes that only work once or in a given window of time so you can give a temp pass code to friends or the maid, etc. Don&#8217;t buy a model that physically turns the dead bolt for you, that is a waste of your battery life. Get one where you punch the code to unlock it then you turn the deadbolt yourself. That is all the advice I can think of. Again, I am completely satisfied and the locks I own cost about $110. Well worth it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/11/21/keylock_biometric_fingerprint_door_lock/comment-page-1/#comment-56780</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 16:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tayyab,

The lock did not come with any internal diagram.  Prehaps you can get one from the manufacturer.  The web site is available in my review.

Bill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tayyab,</p>
<p>The lock did not come with any internal diagram.  Prehaps you can get one from the manufacturer.  The web site is available in my review.</p>
<p>Bill</p>
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		<title>By: tayyab</title>
		<link>http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/11/21/keylock_biometric_fingerprint_door_lock/comment-page-1/#comment-56771</link>
		<dc:creator>tayyab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 12:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i want  internal diagrame of that</description>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
		<link>http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/11/21/keylock_biometric_fingerprint_door_lock/comment-page-1/#comment-55461</link>
		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 02:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eduardo,

As stated in my review, this lock is very unreliable.  I stopped using it because several family memebers could not record their fingerprints.

Bill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eduardo,</p>
<p>As stated in my review, this lock is very unreliable.  I stopped using it because several family memebers could not record their fingerprints.</p>
<p>Bill</p>
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		<title>By: Eduardo</title>
		<link>http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/11/21/keylock_biometric_fingerprint_door_lock/comment-page-1/#comment-55456</link>
		<dc:creator>Eduardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 23:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Folks, I got a #6600-86 fingerprint locker but I never got to add my fingerprint on it. I&#039;m just using it with the password to open. Following the instrucions, I press &quot;1+#&quot; + mastercode + fingerprint + Dee. But when I finish to press the mastercode I hear &quot;dee-dee-dee&quot; that means failure of operation. Can anyone help me with this please? I&#039;m really losing my patience...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Folks, I got a #6600-86 fingerprint locker but I never got to add my fingerprint on it. I&#8217;m just using it with the password to open. Following the instrucions, I press &#8220;1+#&#8221; + mastercode + fingerprint + Dee. But when I finish to press the mastercode I hear &#8220;dee-dee-dee&#8221; that means failure of operation. Can anyone help me with this please? I&#8217;m really losing my patience&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry Li</title>
		<link>http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/11/21/keylock_biometric_fingerprint_door_lock/comment-page-1/#comment-53574</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry Li</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the review.  I guess the fingerprinting reading success rate is comparable with my HP tablet PC:  very inaccurate.  And it seems to like thumbs more than any other finger.  However, my brother&#039;s Thinkpad&#039;s finger print reader, seems to be much better.

As for the funky key, it is common type use in China for &quot;anti theft doors&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the review.  I guess the fingerprinting reading success rate is comparable with my HP tablet PC:  very inaccurate.  And it seems to like thumbs more than any other finger.  However, my brother&#8217;s Thinkpad&#8217;s finger print reader, seems to be much better.</p>
<p>As for the funky key, it is common type use in China for &#8220;anti theft doors&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/11/21/keylock_biometric_fingerprint_door_lock/comment-page-1/#comment-51489</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 04:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have responded with battery change details via PM and am awaiting her reply as to whether she was able to replace them.

Bill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have responded with battery change details via PM and am awaiting her reply as to whether she was able to replace them.</p>
<p>Bill</p>
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		<title>By: laura</title>
		<link>http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/11/21/keylock_biometric_fingerprint_door_lock/comment-page-1/#comment-51319</link>
		<dc:creator>laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 02:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have this lock installed on the backdoor of the house I am renting, and the batteries have died!  
Because I didn&#039;t install the lock itself, I don&#039;t know how to open it up to change the batteries, and the ever-so-useful landlord cannot find the manual.  I managed to find one online (http://www.step.cl/download/Manual%206600-86.pdf) but it doesnt have any info on batteries!  How do you get the back off the unit?

Any help?  Please?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have this lock installed on the backdoor of the house I am renting, and the batteries have died!<br />
Because I didn&#8217;t install the lock itself, I don&#8217;t know how to open it up to change the batteries, and the ever-so-useful landlord cannot find the manual.  I managed to find one online (<a href="http://www.step.cl/download/Manual%206600-86.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.step.cl/download/Manual%206600-86.pdf</a>) but it doesnt have any info on batteries!  How do you get the back off the unit?</p>
<p>Any help?  Please?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/11/21/keylock_biometric_fingerprint_door_lock/comment-page-1/#comment-35576</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 23:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We went through a few fingerprint locks that we got at http://www.AvidBiometrics.com  With rechargeable quality batteries, they aren&#039;t as much of a nuisance.  

Some of the newer locks can recharge themselves through an alternate powersource or power hinge. It&#039;s only a matter of time before it is refined to a T.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We went through a few fingerprint locks that we got at <a href="http://www.AvidBiometrics.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.AvidBiometrics.com</a>  With rechargeable quality batteries, they aren&#8217;t as much of a nuisance.  </p>
<p>Some of the newer locks can recharge themselves through an alternate powersource or power hinge. It&#8217;s only a matter of time before it is refined to a T.</p>
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		<title>By: jds srivastava</title>
		<link>http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/11/21/keylock_biometric_fingerprint_door_lock/comment-page-1/#comment-29617</link>
		<dc:creator>jds srivastava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 10:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i also have this lock but i am not satisfy with this and i loss user mannual
so can not use this</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i also have this lock but i am not satisfy with this and i loss user mannual<br />
so can not use this</p>
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		<title>By: johnseattle</title>
		<link>http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/11/21/keylock_biometric_fingerprint_door_lock/comment-page-1/#comment-23245</link>
		<dc:creator>johnseattle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 23:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just purchase keylock86 from &lt;a href=&quot;&quot; /&gt;www.akmelock.com&lt;/a&gt; . It is only $249 and free shipping. The lock work great. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just purchase keylock86 from <a href="" />http://www.akmelock.com . It is only $249 and free shipping. The lock work great. <img src='http://the-gadgeteer.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: npeters</title>
		<link>http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/11/21/keylock_biometric_fingerprint_door_lock/comment-page-1/#comment-23244</link>
		<dc:creator>npeters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 20:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just started looking into biometrics for some writing that I&#039;m doing, and I too had the question about what you do if the batteries die while you&#039;re gone, and you can&#039;t get back in. My seven year old daughter overheard me talking to my husband about it, and came up with a novel but simple answer:

&quot;Mom, why don&#039;t you just keep batteries in the car so that you can replace them when you get home if they need to be changed?&quot;

From the mouths of babes...   :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just started looking into biometrics for some writing that I&#8217;m doing, and I too had the question about what you do if the batteries die while you&#8217;re gone, and you can&#8217;t get back in. My seven year old daughter overheard me talking to my husband about it, and came up with a novel but simple answer:</p>
<p>&#8220;Mom, why don&#8217;t you just keep batteries in the car so that you can replace them when you get home if they need to be changed?&#8221;</p>
<p>From the mouths of babes&#8230;   <img src='http://the-gadgeteer.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: moldor</title>
		<link>http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/11/21/keylock_biometric_fingerprint_door_lock/comment-page-1/#comment-23243</link>
		<dc:creator>moldor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2006 22:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We looked at all sorts of locks here in Australia when we bought in a rural area - RFID, biometric, swipe card, keyfob remote - and all suffer from the same battery problem unless you use something like a &quot;power transfer hinge&quot; (i.e. a special door hinge that allows power to be routed to a door lock).

Problem with that is that we suffer from frequent inconvenient power outages in this area and short of putting the locks on a UPS, which is an expensive option, we stayed with key locks.

Fortunately, in this area, crime is almost non-existant and even neighbors who can&#039;t stand each other (we only have one !) tend to keep an eye on stranger&#039;s comings and goings.

Lockwood do manufacture a keyless lock that is a &quot;mechanical&quot; push-botton lock, and needs no battery - you can see it at &lt;a href=&quot;&quot; /&gt;Lockwood NZ&lt;/a&gt; - their only disadvantage is that you have to remember a 5 or 6 digit code and, given enough time and/or luck, they can be cracked. Most people don&#039;t vary the factory-preset &quot;ABC123 &lt;command&gt;&quot; key combo, making them a fairly pointless exercise.

They do, however, come with a key override.

I guess the only really REALLY reliable electronic lock would be a DNA-based one, or a retina scan lock, where active blood flow and/or temperature could be measured, avoiding the &quot;body part removal&quot; option for serious criminals (hand removal - Hally Berry in James Bond, and eye removal - some bad dude in Sylvester Stalone&#039;s &quot;Judge Dredd&quot;.)

Ah well, back to the Sci-Fi movies...:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We looked at all sorts of locks here in Australia when we bought in a rural area &#8211; RFID, biometric, swipe card, keyfob remote &#8211; and all suffer from the same battery problem unless you use something like a &#8220;power transfer hinge&#8221; (i.e. a special door hinge that allows power to be routed to a door lock).</p>
<p>Problem with that is that we suffer from frequent inconvenient power outages in this area and short of putting the locks on a UPS, which is an expensive option, we stayed with key locks.</p>
<p>Fortunately, in this area, crime is almost non-existant and even neighbors who can&#8217;t stand each other (we only have one !) tend to keep an eye on stranger&#8217;s comings and goings.</p>
<p>Lockwood do manufacture a keyless lock that is a &#8220;mechanical&#8221; push-botton lock, and needs no battery &#8211; you can see it at <a href="" />Lockwood NZ &#8211; their only disadvantage is that you have to remember a 5 or 6 digit code and, given enough time and/or luck, they can be cracked. Most people don&#8217;t vary the factory-preset &#8220;ABC123 &lt;command>&#8221; key combo, making them a fairly pointless exercise.</p>
<p>They do, however, come with a key override.</p>
<p>I guess the only really REALLY reliable electronic lock would be a DNA-based one, or a retina scan lock, where active blood flow and/or temperature could be measured, avoiding the &#8220;body part removal&#8221; option for serious criminals (hand removal &#8211; Hally Berry in James Bond, and eye removal &#8211; some bad dude in Sylvester Stalone&#8217;s &#8220;Judge Dredd&#8221;.)</p>
<p>Ah well, back to the Sci-Fi movies&#8230;:-)</p>
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		<title>By: viqsi</title>
		<link>http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/11/21/keylock_biometric_fingerprint_door_lock/comment-page-1/#comment-23242</link>
		<dc:creator>viqsi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 06:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Y&#039;know, I look at this and at that RFID lock and I just can&#039;t help but think &quot;what happens when the batteries run out?&quot; :eek: :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y&#8217;know, I look at this and at that RFID lock and I just can&#8217;t help but think &#8220;what happens when the batteries run out?&#8221; <img src='http://the-gadgeteer.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':eek:' class='wp-smiley' />  <img src='http://the-gadgeteer.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Meredyth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meredyth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 15:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting review. I found it interesting that a device that focuses on security (biometrics being a controvesrial security topic aside) doesn&#039;t have a larger range of numbers on the keypad!

Speaking of controversial security devices, has anyone seen the RFID door lock?

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/77af/&quot;&gt;http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/77af/&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting review. I found it interesting that a device that focuses on security (biometrics being a controvesrial security topic aside) doesn&#8217;t have a larger range of numbers on the keypad!</p>
<p>Speaking of controversial security devices, has anyone seen the RFID door lock?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/77af/">http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/77af/</a></p>
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		<title>By: isobutane</title>
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		<dc:creator>isobutane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did any of you see the Mythbusters episode where they cracked a biometric lock using nothing more than a Xerox copy of a fingerprint held against the finger?  No matter what kind of ingenious protection you put up...if someone wants in, they are going to get in.  Better to put the money into a decent security system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did any of you see the Mythbusters episode where they cracked a biometric lock using nothing more than a Xerox copy of a fingerprint held against the finger?  No matter what kind of ingenious protection you put up&#8230;if someone wants in, they are going to get in.  Better to put the money into a decent security system.</p>
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		<title>By: woofb</title>
		<link>http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/11/21/keylock_biometric_fingerprint_door_lock/comment-page-1/#comment-23239</link>
		<dc:creator>woofb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll add my anti-fingerprint rant, too. :-)

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Airwick wrote:
&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Reason #1:  The Malaysian guy who had his finger cut off:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4396831.stm&quot;&gt;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4396831.stm&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yes. I remember in _Blakes 7_ (Brit SF TV show), one of the characters holding the security guard&#039;s hand to the lock and explaining very reasonably &#039;We only need the hand&#039;. Apparently this idea turns up in a few films as well.

But it needn&#039;t be as drastic as that. Apparently latex fake-fingerprints are already possible, or at least being worked-on. If biometrics are brought in too fast and hard because it&#039;s &#039;proper security&#039;, the only thing we can be sure of is the criminals won&#039;t be too far behind learning how to (mis)use the new technology.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Airwick wrote:
&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Reason#2:  If biometrics are used on a large scale - it really just means that one is then using the same password on all of the affected systems.  Any large scale use means a common encoding system - so that, for instance, your fingerprint gets encoded as some specific series of letters and numbers.  While it may take a cut off finger to create the code the &#039;right way&#039; using the fingerprint sensor - on any connected system, a creative cracker would eventually be able to find a way to communicate with the back end ... pretending to be the scanner, and, in that way, get into the &#039;secure&#039; system ...
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I didn&#039;t think of that, and it seems to be a good argument against this. It&#039;s a good argument against any over-reliance on any single technological solution--all the criminals need is one breaking-point the inventors didn&#039;t think of, and they&#039;re inside the whole lot.

You missed out the &#039;ordinary consumer&#039; reason for being against fingerprint biometrics in consumer items, btw:

Reason 3:
As currently implemented, the technology is far too unreliable for use. I tend to get annoyed by popular consumer gadget TV shows or magazines (like Five&#039;s _The Gadget Show_ in the UK) that test, say, a &#039;fingerprint handbag&#039; over a short time and say, &#039;Hey, isn&#039;t this cool!&#039; Every single review on consumer fingerprint biometrics that does it properly (over time) that I&#039;ve seen seems to suggest there&#039;s a problem with &#039;mucky hands&#039;, and in particular that the reader gets so dirty under normal use that it becomes unusable and the user has to type in the password. If these devices worked 9 times out of 10 over a year or two they could be useful, but it&#039;s nothing like that good. In fact, this review of the door lock seems to suggest that there&#039;s a problem with registering fingerprints right from the beginning, and only chance provides the right sort of fingerprint for the reader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll add my anti-fingerprint rant, too. <img src='http://the-gadgeteer.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<blockquote><p><cite>Airwick wrote:<br />
</cite><br />
Reason #1:  The Malaysian guy who had his finger cut off:<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4396831.stm">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4396831.stm</a>
</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes. I remember in _Blakes 7_ (Brit SF TV show), one of the characters holding the security guard&#8217;s hand to the lock and explaining very reasonably &#8216;We only need the hand&#8217;. Apparently this idea turns up in a few films as well.</p>
<p>But it needn&#8217;t be as drastic as that. Apparently latex fake-fingerprints are already possible, or at least being worked-on. If biometrics are brought in too fast and hard because it&#8217;s &#8216;proper security&#8217;, the only thing we can be sure of is the criminals won&#8217;t be too far behind learning how to (mis)use the new technology.</p>
<blockquote><p><cite>Airwick wrote:<br />
</cite><br />Reason#2:  If biometrics are used on a large scale &#8211; it really just means that one is then using the same password on all of the affected systems.  Any large scale use means a common encoding system &#8211; so that, for instance, your fingerprint gets encoded as some specific series of letters and numbers.  While it may take a cut off finger to create the code the &#8216;right way&#8217; using the fingerprint sensor &#8211; on any connected system, a creative cracker would eventually be able to find a way to communicate with the back end &#8230; pretending to be the scanner, and, in that way, get into the &#8216;secure&#8217; system &#8230;
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<p>I didn&#8217;t think of that, and it seems to be a good argument against this. It&#8217;s a good argument against any over-reliance on any single technological solution&#8211;all the criminals need is one breaking-point the inventors didn&#8217;t think of, and they&#8217;re inside the whole lot.</p>
<p>You missed out the &#8216;ordinary consumer&#8217; reason for being against fingerprint biometrics in consumer items, btw:</p>
<p>Reason 3:<br />
As currently implemented, the technology is far too unreliable for use. I tend to get annoyed by popular consumer gadget TV shows or magazines (like Five&#8217;s _The Gadget Show_ in the UK) that test, say, a &#8216;fingerprint handbag&#8217; over a short time and say, &#8216;Hey, isn&#8217;t this cool!&#8217; Every single review on consumer fingerprint biometrics that does it properly (over time) that I&#8217;ve seen seems to suggest there&#8217;s a problem with &#8216;mucky hands&#8217;, and in particular that the reader gets so dirty under normal use that it becomes unusable and the user has to type in the password. If these devices worked 9 times out of 10 over a year or two they could be useful, but it&#8217;s nothing like that good. In fact, this review of the door lock seems to suggest that there&#8217;s a problem with registering fingerprints right from the beginning, and only chance provides the right sort of fingerprint for the reader.</p>
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		<title>By: Airwick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Airwick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 02:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a personal pet peeve of mine ... as I&#039;m completely opposed to the increased use of Biometric devices for security (assuming that a reliable device could be produced &lt;grin&gt;)

Reason #1:  The Malaysian guy who had his finger cut off:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4396831.stm&quot;&gt;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4396831.stm&lt;/a&gt;

I remember many a joke about that ... but its happened for real ... and the more biometrics get used, it seems likely that this will happen more frequently ... my car or my house are not worth my fingers or my life ... that&#039;s what insurance is for.

Reason#2:  If biometrics are used on a large scale - it really just means that one is then using the same password on all of the affected systems.  Any large scale use means a common encoding system - so that, for instance, your fingerprint gets encoded as some specific series of letters and numbers.  While it may take a cut off finger to create the code the &#039;right way&#039; using the fingerprint sensor - on any connected system, a creative cracker would eventually be able to find a way to communicate with the back end ... pretending to be the scanner, and, in that way, get into the &#039;secure&#039; system ...

Thanks for listening ... rant over ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a personal pet peeve of mine &#8230; as I&#8217;m completely opposed to the increased use of Biometric devices for security (assuming that a reliable device could be produced &lt;grin>)</p>
<p>Reason #1:  The Malaysian guy who had his finger cut off:<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4396831.stm">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4396831.stm</a></p>
<p>I remember many a joke about that &#8230; but its happened for real &#8230; and the more biometrics get used, it seems likely that this will happen more frequently &#8230; my car or my house are not worth my fingers or my life &#8230; that&#8217;s what insurance is for.</p>
<p>Reason#2:  If biometrics are used on a large scale &#8211; it really just means that one is then using the same password on all of the affected systems.  Any large scale use means a common encoding system &#8211; so that, for instance, your fingerprint gets encoded as some specific series of letters and numbers.  While it may take a cut off finger to create the code the &#8216;right way&#8217; using the fingerprint sensor &#8211; on any connected system, a creative cracker would eventually be able to find a way to communicate with the back end &#8230; pretending to be the scanner, and, in that way, get into the &#8216;secure&#8217; system &#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks for listening &#8230; rant over &#8230;</p>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 02:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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