Comments on: Palm Treo 750v Windows Mobile Smartphone http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/10/27/palm_treo_750v_smartphone/ Gadget reviews and news by Julie Strietelmeier and friends since 1997 Fri, 10 Feb 2012 18:02:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: vincent asenime http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/10/27/palm_treo_750v_smartphone/comment-page-1/#comment-39739 vincent asenime Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:12:06 +0000 #comment-39739 i love the palm treo 750, so easy to use ...but i suggest improvement on the battery life be made i love the palm treo 750, so easy to use …but i suggest improvement on the battery life be made

]]> By: joeru http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/10/27/palm_treo_750v_smartphone/comment-page-1/#comment-23084 joeru Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:45:35 +0000 #comment-23084 I do sync notes with Missing Sync 3 and the Cingular 750. I have not had a crash but will post if I experience one. I do sync notes with Missing Sync 3 and the Cingular 750. I have not had a crash but will post if I experience one.

]]> By: Julie http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/10/27/palm_treo_750v_smartphone/comment-page-1/#comment-23083 Julie Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:08:38 +0000 #comment-23083 Argh... I was hoping that the bad 680 that I had was just a fluke. Now you make me wonder otherwise... I'm unsure what I want to do for a smartphone. MissingSync doesn't work well for syncing memos/notes for me to the 750v. It seems to crash often. I really like the size of the N73, but with no keyboard and notes, it feels a bit restricted. Argh… I was hoping that the bad 680 that I had was just a fluke. Now you make me wonder otherwise… I’m unsure what I want to do for a smartphone. MissingSync doesn’t work well for syncing memos/notes for me to the 750v. It seems to crash often. I really like the size of the N73, but with no keyboard and notes, it feels a bit restricted.

]]> By: joeru http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/10/27/palm_treo_750v_smartphone/comment-page-1/#comment-23082 joeru Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:38:49 +0000 #comment-23082 I originally got a Treo 680, but need MS Exchange email and could never get the 680 to work reliably for me. I found it just slightly faster, but I was surprised at how much I missed the multitasking. Everytime I went back and forth to Contacts or a webpage, for example, I had to do a new search. I sync with both a Mac and PC and found Activesync to be easier than Hotsync for me on the PC. Hotsync starts the whole syncing process from the beginning when I really just wanted to add a single appointment. Activesync did that automatically. The 680 also rebooted on me about 3-4 times. Sigh. I originally got a Treo 680, but need MS Exchange email and could never get the 680 to work reliably for me. I found it just slightly faster, but I was surprised at how much I missed the multitasking. Everytime I went back and forth to Contacts or a webpage, for example, I had to do a new search. I sync with both a Mac and PC and found Activesync to be easier than Hotsync for me on the PC. Hotsync starts the whole syncing process from the beginning when I really just wanted to add a single appointment. Activesync did that automatically. The 680 also rebooted on me about 3-4 times. Sigh.

]]> By: Julie http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/10/27/palm_treo_750v_smartphone/comment-page-1/#comment-23081 Julie Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:24:12 +0000 #comment-23081 I'm also toying with the idea of just going back to Palm and a 680. I am sending back the 680 that I was sent to review because it has some problems. I may just opt for buying one of my own... In all honesty, Palm OS just feels better / faster / leaner / easier to me. I’m also toying with the idea of just going back to Palm and a 680. I am sending back the 680 that I was sent to review because it has some problems. I may just opt for buying one of my own… In all honesty, Palm OS just feels better / faster / leaner / easier to me.

]]> By: joeru http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/10/27/palm_treo_750v_smartphone/comment-page-1/#comment-23080 joeru Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:14:17 +0000 #comment-23080 On xda forums, I see a number of people who seem to think the Cingular ROM fixes some issues that the earlier Vodaphone 750v has. I don't know if it is worth selling the 750v and getting a Cingular 750, but I haven't had problems with the Cingular 750 at this point. I has only been a week. On xda forums, I see a number of people who seem to think the Cingular ROM fixes some issues that the earlier Vodaphone 750v has. I don’t know if it is worth selling the 750v and getting a Cingular 750, but I haven’t had problems with the Cingular 750 at this point. I has only been a week.

]]> By: Julie http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/10/27/palm_treo_750v_smartphone/comment-page-1/#comment-23079 Julie Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:46:46 +0000 #comment-23079 joeru: I am using iSync. I had to manually add an entry for the phone in one of the iSync files, but that wasn't hard to do and it works great. The only thing it doesn't do is sync notes/memos, which is critical for me... As a result, I'm about to hop back to the 750v again. joeru:

I am using iSync. I had to manually add an entry for the phone in one of the iSync files, but that wasn’t hard to do and it works great. The only thing it doesn’t do is sync notes/memos, which is critical for me… As a result, I’m about to hop back to the 750v again.

]]> By: joeru http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/10/27/palm_treo_750v_smartphone/comment-page-1/#comment-23078 joeru Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:36:57 +0000 #comment-23078 Julie - The camera on the Nokia N73 specs are great for a phone. How do you sync with your Mac? - Joe Julie – The camera on the Nokia N73 specs are great for a phone. How do you sync with your Mac?

- Joe

]]> By: ExtremeSIMS http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/10/27/palm_treo_750v_smartphone/comment-page-1/#comment-23077 ExtremeSIMS Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:51:01 +0000 #comment-23077 Cingular 750. Yes, my 650 was quite annoying with the random reboots as well. Cingular 750.

Yes, my 650 was quite annoying with the random reboots as well.

]]> By: Julie http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/10/27/palm_treo_750v_smartphone/comment-page-1/#comment-23076 Julie Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:44:40 +0000 #comment-23076 MitchellO: Any missing alarms so far? I've never had any spontaneous reboots with my 750v. With the 650 though, it happened frequently. MitchellO:
Any missing alarms so far? I’ve never had any spontaneous reboots with my 750v. With the 650 though, it happened frequently.

]]> By: MitchellO http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/10/27/palm_treo_750v_smartphone/comment-page-1/#comment-23075 MitchellO Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:39:21 +0000 #comment-23075 For the record I have never had any random reboots on my Treo 750v. For the record I have never had any random reboots on my Treo 750v.

]]> By: joeru http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/10/27/palm_treo_750v_smartphone/comment-page-1/#comment-23074 joeru Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:34:51 +0000 #comment-23074 Extreme - Did you have a 750v or a Cingular 750? Seems there are some differences in the ROM. I haven't had any random reboots on the 750 at this point. I did not have any on the 8525 either. I did have that on the 680, however. Extreme – Did you have a 750v or a Cingular 750? Seems there are some differences in the ROM. I haven’t had any random reboots on the 750 at this point. I did not have any on the 8525 either. I did have that on the 680, however.

]]> By: ExtremeSIMS http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/10/27/palm_treo_750v_smartphone/comment-page-1/#comment-23073 ExtremeSIMS Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:44:08 +0000 #comment-23073 Tried the 750, and I am sticking to the 8525. Despite the nicer form factor and the great Palm tweaks, along with my familiarity with the Treo platform, I decided that the 8525 was better for me. <ul> <li>The screen of the 8525 is more to my liking. Despite being a "phone-centric" person, I also like the PDA glass. (iPhone it is, I guess :) )</li> <li>I don't use WiFi much, but when I want it, it's there on the 8525.</li> <li>The 750 started exhibiting the same worrisome behavior as my 650. Clean phone, no software installed, right out of the box, and it would hard lock or randomly reboot. Not a auspicious beginning.</li> </ul> Tried the 750, and I am sticking to the 8525. Despite the nicer form factor and the great Palm tweaks, along with my familiarity with the Treo platform, I decided that the 8525 was better for me.

  • The screen of the 8525 is more to my liking. Despite being a “phone-centric” person, I also like the PDA glass. (iPhone it is, I guess :) )
  • I don’t use WiFi much, but when I want it, it’s there on the 8525.
  • The 750 started exhibiting the same worrisome behavior as my 650. Clean phone, no software installed, right out of the box, and it would hard lock or randomly reboot. Not a auspicious beginning.
]]> By: Julie http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/10/27/palm_treo_750v_smartphone/comment-page-1/#comment-23072 Julie Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:25:53 +0000 #comment-23072 joeru: Let me know how the 750 works out for you. Right now I'm mad at mine and am using a Nokia N73 for awhile :) joeru:

Let me know how the 750 works out for you. Right now I’m mad at mine and am using a Nokia N73 for awhile :)

]]> By: joeru http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/10/27/palm_treo_750v_smartphone/comment-page-1/#comment-23071 joeru Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:19:52 +0000 #comment-23071 Well I tried the 8525 for nearly 30 days and it performed without a problem. Sigh. I really liked the features but found it to be a bit heavy and opening/closing the keyboard was cumbersome. And in bright light, I could not see the screen. I would have kept it, but then had a Cingular 750 to try side by side for a few days. The lighter weight, rounder form factor and Palm enhancements like keyboard shortcuts really made it easier for me to use. So I am using the 750 now. I tested alarms a few times and the phone woke up and alarmed with no problem. Have not changed time zones to test that. - Joe Well I tried the 8525 for nearly 30 days and it performed without a problem. Sigh. I really liked the features but found it to be a bit heavy and opening/closing the keyboard was cumbersome. And in bright light, I could not see the screen.

I would have kept it, but then had a Cingular 750 to try side by side for a few days. The lighter weight, rounder form factor and Palm enhancements like keyboard shortcuts really made it easier for me to use. So I am using the 750 now. I tested alarms a few times and the phone woke up and alarmed with no problem. Have not changed time zones to test that.

- Joe

]]> By: Julie http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/10/27/palm_treo_750v_smartphone/comment-page-1/#comment-23070 Julie Tue, 12 Dec 2006 14:31:23 +0000 #comment-23070 joeru: I'm not sure I noticed enough speed difference to really comment on. Both are pretty snappy. joeru:

I’m not sure I noticed enough speed difference to really comment on. Both are pretty snappy.

]]> By: joeru http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/10/27/palm_treo_750v_smartphone/comment-page-1/#comment-23069 joeru Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:59:25 +0000 #comment-23069 Julie - Did you find the 750v or the TyTN to be more responsive in using and switching applications? Julie – Did you find the 750v or the TyTN to be more responsive in using and switching applications?

]]> By: joeru http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/10/27/palm_treo_750v_smartphone/comment-page-1/#comment-23068 joeru Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:37:11 +0000 #comment-23068 I tried a Treo 680, but returned it today :( I require Exchange synchronization and neither VersaMail, RoadSync, nor ChatterMail's exchange plugin sync would allow me to send and receive email with the Exchange server. My Windows Mobile smartphone does that flawlessly. I also found that manually hitting the hotsync button was more cumbersome compared with ActiveSync. I would just get a calendar update and have to wait for the entire hotsync to finish before I could remove the Treo. There were other quibbles, but those two were important to me. I might get a Treo 750 when Cingular offers one. - Joe I tried a Treo 680, but returned it today :(

I require Exchange synchronization and neither VersaMail, RoadSync, nor ChatterMail’s exchange plugin sync would allow me to send and receive email with the Exchange server. My Windows Mobile smartphone does that flawlessly.

I also found that manually hitting the hotsync button was more cumbersome compared with ActiveSync. I would just get a calendar update and have to wait for the entire hotsync to finish before I could remove the Treo.

There were other quibbles, but those two were important to me.

I might get a Treo 750 when Cingular offers one.

- Joe

]]> By: MitchellO http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/10/27/palm_treo_750v_smartphone/comment-page-1/#comment-23067 MitchellO Sun, 10 Dec 2006 07:23:09 +0000 #comment-23067 I get UMTS in most areas that I go here in Australia, and the coverage is expanding, particularly with the launch of Telstra's NextG service. And yeah, the 750v is the only option for people looking for a GSM/3G Windows Mobile Treo. I certainly wouldn't have gone anywhere near the 750v if it was Palm OS based. Too old and limited. I get UMTS in most areas that I go here in Australia, and the coverage is expanding, particularly with the launch of Telstra’s NextG service.

And yeah, the 750v is the only option for people looking for a GSM/3G Windows Mobile Treo. I certainly wouldn’t have gone anywhere near the 750v if it was Palm OS based. Too old and limited.

]]> By: Julie http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/10/27/palm_treo_750v_smartphone/comment-page-1/#comment-23066 Julie Sat, 09 Dec 2006 22:20:15 +0000 #comment-23066 Varjak: I bought the 750v because I just love the Treo form factor. I've been a Treo 650 user for over a year and was also curious to switch from Palm to Windows Mobile. Varjak:

I bought the 750v because I just love the Treo form factor. I’ve been a Treo 650 user for over a year and was also curious to switch from Palm to Windows Mobile.

]]> By: Varjak http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/10/27/palm_treo_750v_smartphone/comment-page-1/#comment-23065 Varjak Sat, 09 Dec 2006 05:27:02 +0000 #comment-23065 Sorry. I meant UMTS/3G. I was thinking the equivalent of EVDO, which EDGE isn't really. Sorry for the mix-up. Out of curiousity, why pony up for the 750V is you don't have 3G service yet? By the time you do, there will be the 'next big thing?' Sorry. I meant UMTS/3G. I was thinking the equivalent of EVDO, which EDGE isn’t really. Sorry for the mix-up.

Out of curiousity, why pony up for the 750V is you don’t have 3G service yet? By the time you do, there will be the ‘next big thing?’

]]> By: Julie http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/10/27/palm_treo_750v_smartphone/comment-page-1/#comment-23064 Julie Fri, 08 Dec 2006 02:07:36 +0000 #comment-23064 Varjak: Actually, I *DO* have Edge. I *DON'T* have 3G though :) Varjak:

Actually, I *DO* have Edge. I *DON’T* have 3G though :)

]]> By: Varjak http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/10/27/palm_treo_750v_smartphone/comment-page-1/#comment-23063 Varjak Fri, 08 Dec 2006 01:09:25 +0000 #comment-23063 It seems from what I've read that UMTS is W-CDMA based. Also, EVDO (at least until recently) was dominant in Asia (Japan, Korea, and China, although China is moving to WCDMA) Also, EVDO can (but it's harder to set up) do simultaneous data/voice transmission. I can't imagine that the Palm OS either prohibits simultaneity or that it can't be relatively easily modified to allow it. Still, you're right overall. I just wonder if (at least for the moment) there is that much access to UMTS/HSDPA even in Australia. As Julie mentioned, she doesn't even get EDGE (and I can get EVDO quite easily). By the time it matters, we will be several generations of Treos et al. away from the 750. It seems from what I’ve read that UMTS is W-CDMA based. Also, EVDO (at least until recently) was dominant in Asia (Japan, Korea, and China, although China is moving to WCDMA) Also, EVDO can (but it’s harder to set up) do simultaneous data/voice transmission. I can’t imagine that the Palm OS either prohibits simultaneity or that it can’t be relatively easily modified to allow it. Still, you’re right overall. I just wonder if (at least for the moment) there is that much access to UMTS/HSDPA even in Australia. As Julie mentioned, she doesn’t even get EDGE (and I can get EVDO quite easily). By the time it matters, we will be several generations of Treos et al. away from the 750.

]]> By: MitchellO http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/10/27/palm_treo_750v_smartphone/comment-page-1/#comment-23062 MitchellO Thu, 07 Dec 2006 02:22:36 +0000 #comment-23062 The problem with UMTS on the Palm OS is that it does not support some of the multitasking that UMTS requires to have simultaneous data and voice. Its a technical limitation that can't be overcome with the current Palm OS 5. The Palm OS controls the phone, so it is integral in the functioning of it. As I said, EVDO doesn't support simultaneous data/voice which is why it works fine on Palm OS and UMTS doesn't. While EVDO may currently have a slight speed edge, its not much good when you get outside of the US where GSM reigns king. The problem with UMTS on the Palm OS is that it does not support some of the multitasking that UMTS requires to have simultaneous data and voice. Its a technical limitation that can’t be overcome with the current Palm OS 5.

The Palm OS controls the phone, so it is integral in the functioning of it. As I said, EVDO doesn’t support simultaneous data/voice which is why it works fine on Palm OS and UMTS doesn’t.

While EVDO may currently have a slight speed edge, its not much good when you get outside of the US where GSM reigns king.

]]> By: Varjak http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/10/27/palm_treo_750v_smartphone/comment-page-1/#comment-23061 Varjak Thu, 07 Dec 2006 01:57:50 +0000 #comment-23061 Thanks Mitchell for the comprehensive answer. I didn't see the note on the link provided about the Euro 680, which says 128. Still, the 680 has more usable memory than the 750V by that note. Other than UMTS, the differences don't seem that severe (again considering the different OS's). And, as UMTS is far from ubiquitous here (and according to the Wall Street Journal, 3G is flagging in Europe and Asia), not a great loss to me. Do you know what the speed differential is between UMTS and Verizon's EV-D0? I believe EV-DO is significantly faster than EDGE and other competing data protocols (at least in North America). It's interesting to me that the Euro 3G networks seem to be leaning to W-CDMA and other CDMA formats (again quoting from that article). That may mean a convergence between North America, Europe, and other systems. (China is currently evaluating 3G formats). I don't quite understand how inter-operable UMTS might be with other W-CDMA-based systems however. I did a quick check EV-DO is as fast as current UMTS systems, although wikipedia says UMTS can go to 11 Mb/s. Currently, its fastest is 3.6 Mb/s with a HSDPA, but only on the downlink, while EV-DO is 3.1 Mb/s, 1.8 uplink (which is about 6 times UMTS). Still HSDPA (I guess this is the form of w-cdma which is succeeding UMTS?) seems to be the winning pathway. Edit: Why would the Palm OS have anything to do with the phone function? Palm OS works with EV-DO. I'm sure they could make it work with UMTS/HSDPA. That's the radio-spectrum issue, not the OS. Edit again: By the way, I'm not a cheerleader for the USA system. I think these guys ought to get together (and 3G or now 3.5-4.0G) would be a good time to do it! Asia committed to EV-DO and then switched to W-CDMA/HSDPA. I'd like to have one personal phone for the world, not 2 or 3. Thanks Mitchell for the comprehensive answer. I didn’t see the note on the link provided about the Euro 680, which says 128. Still, the 680 has more usable memory than the 750V by that note. Other than UMTS, the differences don’t seem that severe (again considering the different OS’s). And, as UMTS is far from ubiquitous here (and according to the Wall Street Journal, 3G is flagging in Europe and Asia), not a great loss to me. Do you know what the speed differential is between UMTS and Verizon’s EV-D0? I believe EV-DO is significantly faster than EDGE and other competing data protocols (at least in North America). It’s interesting to me that the Euro 3G networks seem to be leaning to W-CDMA and other CDMA formats (again quoting from that article). That may mean a convergence between North America, Europe, and other systems. (China is currently evaluating 3G formats). I don’t quite understand how inter-operable UMTS might be with other W-CDMA-based systems however.

I did a quick check EV-DO is as fast as current UMTS systems, although wikipedia says UMTS can go to 11 Mb/s. Currently, its fastest is 3.6 Mb/s with a HSDPA, but only on the downlink, while EV-DO is 3.1 Mb/s, 1.8 uplink (which is about 6 times UMTS). Still HSDPA (I guess this is the form of w-cdma which is succeeding UMTS?) seems to be the winning pathway.

Edit: Why would the Palm OS have anything to do with the phone function? Palm OS works with EV-DO. I’m sure they could make it work with UMTS/HSDPA. That’s the radio-spectrum issue, not the OS.

Edit again: By the way, I’m not a cheerleader for the USA system. I think these guys ought to get together (and 3G or now 3.5-4.0G) would be a good time to do it! Asia committed to EV-DO and then switched to W-CDMA/HSDPA. I’d like to have one personal phone for the world, not 2 or 3.

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