Comments on: Neuros MPEG4 Video Recorder 2 http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/03/15/neuros_mpeg4_video_recorder_2/ Gadget reviews and news by Julie Strietelmeier and friends since 1997 Sun, 08 Nov 2009 06:27:19 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: queentingli http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/03/15/neuros_mpeg4_video_recorder_2/comment-page-1/#comment-22462 queentingli Tue, 30 May 2006 05:41:28 +0000 #comment-22462 :love: :wacko: <span><strong>Cortona Movie Maker </strong></span>is also a powerful video recorder try here: <a href="http://www.yaodownload.com/video-design/videorecorders/cortona-movie-maker_videorecorders.htm">http://www.yaodownload.com/video-design/videorecorders/cortona-movie-maker_videorecorders.htm</a> :blink: :love: :wacko: Cortona Movie Maker is also a powerful video recorder

try here: http://www.yaodownload.com/video-design/videorecorders/cortona-movie-maker_videorecorders.htm :blink:

]]> By: FJ_Neuros http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/03/15/neuros_mpeg4_video_recorder_2/comment-page-1/#comment-22461 FJ_Neuros Tue, 21 Mar 2006 00:33:19 +0000 #comment-22461 <blockquote><cite>flamaest wrote: </cite><br />Question: By "Quicktime MPEG-4" are you reffering to h.264? Can this encode h.264 in hardware? Thanks, Fabian.</blockquote> Fabian- No it does not encode in h.264 (aka MPEG4 AVC). I anticipate it will take a year or two before you see consumer electronics devices that encode in h.264 in realtime. It requires a lot of horsepower that current chips do not have. At least nothing affordable.

flamaest wrote:

Question: By “Quicktime MPEG-4″ are you reffering to h.264? Can this encode h.264 in hardware?

Thanks,
Fabian.

Fabian-

No it does not encode in h.264 (aka MPEG4 AVC). I anticipate it will take a year or two before you see consumer electronics devices that encode in h.264 in realtime. It requires a lot of horsepower that current chips do not have. At least nothing affordable.

]]> By: FJ_Neuros http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/03/15/neuros_mpeg4_video_recorder_2/comment-page-1/#comment-22460 FJ_Neuros Tue, 21 Mar 2006 00:30:19 +0000 #comment-22460 <blockquote><cite>flamaest wrote: </cite><br />Yeah, it could have been a 1st gen review.. it was about 4 months ago that i saw it.. here is the review link. <a href="http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:uFxhMuGCMe8J:entertainment.newsforge.com/article.pl%3Fsid%3D05/08/04/1856204%26tid%3D23+Neuros+Recorder+review&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=10">http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:uFxhMuGCMe8J:entertainment.newsforge.com/article.pl%3Fsid%3D05/08/04/1856204%26tid%3D23+Neuros+Recorder+review&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=10</a> Could this unit be better than this NR2? <a href="http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:4gUwgN9SevgJ:www.consolesandgadgets.co.uk/catalog/vrx02-direct-recorder-110v-p-2064.html+VRX02+Direct+Recorder&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=3">http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:4gUwgN9SevgJ:www.consolesandgadgets.co.uk/catalog/vrx02-direct-recorder-110v-p-2064.html+VRX02+Direct+Recorder&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=3</a> Fabian.</blockquote> It was for the first generation recorder yes. The same reviewer reviewed the Recorder 2 as well, you can check the review on <a href="www.thejemreport.com">www.thejemreport.com</a> As for the VRX02, of course our product is better :D. More seriously, it is not sold in the US and record only on memory sticks. The max recording resolution is also 320x240 (like the Recorder 1), not 640x480 as the Neuros Recorder 2.

flamaest wrote:

Yeah, it could have been a 1st gen review.. it was about 4 months ago that i saw it.. here is the review link.

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:uFxhMuGCMe8J:entertainment.newsforge.com/article.pl%3Fsid%3D05/08/04/1856204%26tid%3D23+Neuros+Recorder+review&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=10

Could this unit be better than this NR2?

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:4gUwgN9SevgJ:www.consolesandgadgets.co.uk/catalog/vrx02-direct-recorder-110v-p-2064.html+VRX02+Direct+Recorder&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=3

Fabian.

It was for the first generation recorder yes. The same reviewer reviewed the Recorder 2 as well, you can check the review on http://www.thejemreport.com

As for the VRX02, of course our product is better :D . More seriously, it is not sold in the US and record only on memory sticks. The max recording resolution is also 320×240 (like the Recorder 1), not 640×480 as the Neuros Recorder 2.

]]> By: flamaest http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/03/15/neuros_mpeg4_video_recorder_2/comment-page-1/#comment-22459 flamaest Sun, 19 Mar 2006 06:10:36 +0000 #comment-22459 Question: By "Quicktime MPEG-4" are you reffering to h.264? Can this encode h.264 in hardware? Thanks, Fabian. Question: By “Quicktime MPEG-4″ are you reffering to h.264? Can this encode h.264 in hardware?

Thanks,
Fabian.

]]> By: flamaest http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/03/15/neuros_mpeg4_video_recorder_2/comment-page-1/#comment-22458 flamaest Sun, 19 Mar 2006 06:03:11 +0000 #comment-22458 Yeah, it could have been a 1st gen review.. it was about 4 months ago that i saw it.. here is the review link. <a href="http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:uFxhMuGCMe8J:entertainment.newsforge.com/article.pl%3Fsid%3D05/08/04/1856204%26tid%3D23+Neuros+Recorder+review&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=10">http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:uFxhMuGCMe8J:entertainment.newsforge.com/article.pl%3Fsid%3D05/08/04/1856204%26tid%3D23+Neuros+Recorder+review&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=10</a> Could this unit be better than this NR2? <a href="http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:4gUwgN9SevgJ:www.consolesandgadgets.co.uk/catalog/vrx02-direct-recorder-110v-p-2064.html+VRX02+Direct+Recorder&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=3">http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:4gUwgN9SevgJ:www.consolesandgadgets.co.uk/catalog/vrx02-direct-recorder-110v-p-2064.html+VRX02+Direct+Recorder&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=3</a> Fabian. Yeah, it could have been a 1st gen review.. it was about 4 months ago that i saw it.. here is the review link.

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:uFxhMuGCMe8J:entertainment.newsforge.com/article.pl%3Fsid%3D05/08/04/1856204%26tid%3D23+Neuros+Recorder+review&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=10

Could this unit be better than this NR2?

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:4gUwgN9SevgJ:www.consolesandgadgets.co.uk/catalog/vrx02-direct-recorder-110v-p-2064.html+VRX02+Direct+Recorder&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=3

Fabian.

]]> By: FJ_Neuros http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/03/15/neuros_mpeg4_video_recorder_2/comment-page-1/#comment-22457 FJ_Neuros Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:03:03 +0000 #comment-22457 I think the plugin works up to 0.66 version, but not for newer versions of TCPMP. That said, I would not use the plugin for anything else than a review or a demo. As for the quality of recordings, the limitations are not so much on the recorder side, but more on the hardware the videos are played back on. The PSP can not playback videos encoded at a bit rate higher than 768Kbps (from the memory stick slot) and many handhelds have the same type of limitations for resolution and/or bit rate for encoding. The other limitation we have to deal with is the current size and price of flash cards. Handhelds manufacturers are making the adjustments necessary to address the needs of users who want to play video on their handheld, and with the capacities of cards going up and their prices going down, 2006 will be a good year for portable video. I think the plugin works up to 0.66 version, but not for newer versions of TCPMP. That said, I would not use the plugin for anything else than a review or a demo.

As for the quality of recordings, the limitations are not so much on the recorder side, but more on the hardware the videos are played back on. The PSP can not playback videos encoded at a bit rate higher than 768Kbps (from the memory stick slot) and many handhelds have the same type of limitations for resolution and/or bit rate for encoding. The other limitation we have to deal with is the current size and price of flash cards. Handhelds manufacturers are making the adjustments necessary to address the needs of users who want to play video on their handheld, and with the capacities of cards going up and their prices going down, 2006 will be a good year for portable video.

]]> By: n9mtb http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/03/15/neuros_mpeg4_video_recorder_2/comment-page-1/#comment-22456 n9mtb Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:12:50 +0000 #comment-22456 I would agree that the quality is fine for what it is intended to be used for. The VGA mode looks pretty good on a TV as long as you use the higher bit rates, and (W)QVGA looks decent on a PSP which has about the biggest display you would ever want to watch a video of that size on. Given the constraints of recording in real time, at a relatively low bit rate, from a composite video input I think it does pretty well. (I was thinking that maybe I should make an offline multipass encoded version of the same clip for comparison... if I do I'll post it to this thread.) Glad to hear you're working on an AAC audio solution. I guess the old AAC plugin probably doesn't work with new versions of TCPMP? After finishing the review I tried the video on my Palm TX and was disappointed to see that TCPMP removed the needed audio support. --Rob I would agree that the quality is fine for what it is intended to be used for. The VGA mode looks pretty good on a TV as long as you use the higher bit rates, and (W)QVGA looks decent on a PSP which has about the biggest display you would ever want to watch a video of that size on. Given the constraints of recording in real time, at a relatively low bit rate, from a composite video input I think it does pretty well. (I was thinking that maybe I should make an offline multipass encoded version of the same clip for comparison… if I do I’ll post it to this thread.)

Glad to hear you’re working on an AAC audio solution. I guess the old AAC plugin probably doesn’t work with new versions of TCPMP? After finishing the review I tried the video on my Palm TX and was disappointed to see that TCPMP removed the needed audio support.

–Rob

]]> By: FJ_Neuros http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/03/15/neuros_mpeg4_video_recorder_2/comment-page-1/#comment-22455 FJ_Neuros Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:02:47 +0000 #comment-22455 This is FJ from Neuros- We are actually about to offer a SD/MMC card adaptor for users who want to record content on SD cards (it also works with miniSD cards). The card adaptor reviewed by Julie a while ago should work with the unit: <a href="http://www.the-gadgeteer.com/review/eagletec_sd_to_cf_ii_card_adapter_review">http://www.the-gadgeteer.com/review/eagletec_sd_to_cf_ii_card_adapter_review</a> We are also working on a software with AAC support. As most of you know, AAC support as been removed for the new (free) TCPMP versions. If you have a media player with AAC decoder or an old version of TCPMP, files will play fine on your PDA or Pocket PC. But if you download a new version of TCPMP, you will not have sound since th AAC decoder has been removed on the free version. Flamaest- I am not sure where you read the comment about recording quality. I imagine it was for the first generation of Recorder when people commented on the play back quality on a TV instead of an handheld. The Recorder 1 is really meant to get content on PDAs and Pocket PCs, with a QVGA recording resolution, videos will not look great on a big screen. The Recorder 2 is more versatile as it can record full VGA video at a higher bit rate (2Mbps), thus a good recording quality even for TV play back. FJ Neuros This is FJ from Neuros-

We are actually about to offer a SD/MMC card adaptor for users who want to record content on SD cards (it also works with miniSD cards). The card adaptor reviewed by Julie a while ago should work with the unit: http://www.the-gadgeteer.com/review/eagletec_sd_to_cf_ii_card_adapter_review We are also working on a software with AAC support. As most of you know, AAC support as been removed for the new (free) TCPMP versions. If you have a media player with AAC decoder or an old version of TCPMP, files will play fine on your PDA or Pocket PC. But if you download a new version of TCPMP, you will not have sound since th AAC decoder has been removed on the free version.

Flamaest-
I am not sure where you read the comment about recording quality. I imagine it was for the first generation of Recorder when people commented on the play back quality on a TV instead of an handheld. The Recorder 1 is really meant to get content on PDAs and Pocket PCs, with a QVGA recording resolution, videos will not look great on a big screen.
The Recorder 2 is more versatile as it can record full VGA video at a higher bit rate (2Mbps), thus a good recording quality even for TV play back.

FJ
Neuros

]]> By: _Q_ http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/03/15/neuros_mpeg4_video_recorder_2/comment-page-1/#comment-22454 _Q_ Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:25:22 +0000 #comment-22454 Is the CF slot Type I or Type II? One (possible) way around the lack of SD would be to use an adapter (if this unit is better than the other one with SD built in)... Is the CF slot Type I or Type II? One (possible) way around the lack of SD would be to use an adapter (if this unit is better than the other one with SD built in)…

]]> By: Julie http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/03/15/neuros_mpeg4_video_recorder_2/comment-page-1/#comment-22453 Julie Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:54:21 +0000 #comment-22453 flamaest: Rob had samples for each quality level. What other tests do you suggest? flamaest:

Rob had samples for each quality level. What other tests do you suggest?

]]> By: flamaest http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/03/15/neuros_mpeg4_video_recorder_2/comment-page-1/#comment-22452 flamaest Thu, 16 Mar 2006 03:00:27 +0000 #comment-22452 I have read reviews for this item which suggest the recording quality of this unit is a disaster. I was really hoping to see you guys do more exhaustive tests in the video recording quality. F. I have read reviews for this item which suggest the recording quality of this unit is a disaster.

I was really hoping to see you guys do more exhaustive tests in the video recording quality.

F.

]]> By: MitchellO http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/03/15/neuros_mpeg4_video_recorder_2/comment-page-1/#comment-22451 MitchellO Wed, 15 Mar 2006 21:25:40 +0000 #comment-22451 I just read your review on my X50v, and downloaded the VGA Fine video directly to my cf and it looks great :D Good quality and smooth playback in TCPMP. I just read your review on my X50v, and downloaded the VGA Fine video directly to my cf and it looks great :D Good quality and smooth playback in TCPMP.

]]> By: Julie http://the-gadgeteer.com/2006/03/15/neuros_mpeg4_video_recorder_2/comment-page-1/#comment-22450 Julie Wed, 15 Mar 2006 19:36:41 +0000 #comment-22450 Post your comments here on the Neuros MPEG4 Video Recorder 2 review. <a href="http://www.the-gadgeteer.com/review/neuros_mpeg4_video_recorder_2">http://www.the-gadgeteer.com/review/neuros_mpeg4_video_recorder_2</a> Just click the POST REPLY button on this page. Post your comments here on the Neuros MPEG4 Video Recorder 2 review.

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