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[*]I find the magnets to be extremely inconvenient. They stick to my watch and don’t really add any value to the pants — I’ve never had a problem with stuff falling out of the pockets before. And with the loud snapping sound they sometimes make when they quickly snap together, they’re almost as annoying as Velco (though Velcro is much, much worse). I’m going to see if they can be removed, but it doesn’t look easy to do so.
[*]Size. I’m a pretty small guy and I expected that even with the 28/32 pants I ordered, I would have to get the pants hemmed, but I didn’t expect the pants to be this baggy — I could almost climb with both legs into just one of the pant legs! :blink: Hopefully, that can be fixed, too. The waist is pretty comfortable, though.
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As for the strength of the magnets: I’m willing to accept that they’re not strong enough to cause problems with media; however, just from the pressure I feel from placing my finger in-between the magnets, they do feel stronger than fridge magnets.

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Scott

KennyMac wrote:

Another note about the magnets, you may want to be careful with hard drive based MP3 players. My 1 day old iPods hard drive may have been killed by the magnets in my hidden cargo pants. After I get it back from Apple I am going to take the magnets out of left front pockets and only strore the iPod on that side.

I have inquired about this issue, and find it almost impossible to believe that the magnets at the top of the pockets could have caused any damage to the harddrive, given their position, size, and power. I am very interested to learn what Apple has to say when you get this back. We have been using magnets for years and have NEVER had one problem reported to us, and have done extensive testing on our own.

Sincerely,

Scott

ebeyonder wrote:

Also, that change pocket is located on the outer-side of the hidden pocket… ie. the layer of cloth which is not directly resting on your thigh. The result is that it become quite difficult to close it with one hand. With the Dockers Mobile Pant, the hidden vault pocket (as it was called) was on the cloth resting on my thigh and that provides some kind of “support” and I could unzip/zip it with only one hand. Moreover, with the placement of the pocket in the SeV pants, I would need to twist my wrist somewhat to reach it.

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One suggestion: Why not use zippers instead of magnets? Zippers close properly, don’t wear out like velcro and, when rested on one’s thigh, can be opened easily with one hand.

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1. It uses zippers. Zippers don’t open accidentally as magnetic closures, as innovative as they are, can. Zippers can’t wipe out cards, period. Magnets can or maybe can’t, but with so many cards in my life today, I’d rather not have to worry about even the slightest possibility.

I have a pair of the Dockers Mobile Pants. One of the zippers is very hard to zip up unless I hold down the seam below the zipper with my other hand. The zipper is very fine-pitched, which makes it harder to work, and the tab is quite small. Some other similar pants have small loops attached to the zippers, which makes them a lot easier to use.

One feature I didn’t quite like was the location of the hidden change pocket. It’s “in” the large hidden pocket and is also between the magnets. As a result, whenever I open or close it, the magnets would want to come together and this interferes with me unzipping or zipping it properly!

Also, that change pocket is located on the outer-side of the hidden pocket… ie. the layer of cloth which is not directly resting on your thigh. The result is that it become quite difficult to close it with one hand. With the Dockers Mobile Pant, the hidden vault pocket (as it was called) was on the cloth resting on my thigh and that provides some kind of “support” and I could unzip/zip it with only one hand. Moreover, with the placement of the pocket in the SeV pants, I would need to twist my wrist somewhat to reach it.

As for the magnets themselves, I am still not completely convinced that they would not erase cards. The placement of the hidden change pocket just in between the magnets makes it a dangerous place to put any credit cards. However, that would have been an ideal place to place cards, metro cards, and the like since I don’t like to whip out my wallet and take out the cards for crowded places like the subway. I could do that with my Mobile Pant because I didn’t have to worry about the magnets. One suggestion: Why not use zippers instead of magnets? Zippers close properly, don’t wear out like velcro and, when rested on one’s thigh, can be opened easily with one hand.

I like the placement of the hidden pockets; to me, the placement is the major improvement over the Dockers pants, which still retained a bit of a “cargo pants” characteristic. However, the Dockers pants have several, in my opinion, superior points:

1. It uses zippers. Zippers don’t open accidentally as magnetic closures, as innovative as they are, can. Zippers can’t wipe out cards, period. Magnets can or maybe can’t, but with so many cards in my life today, I’d rather not have to worry about even the slightest possibility.

2. The Dockers’ hidden vault pocket (the small one) is neatly positioned against the thigh, meaning I don’t have to twist my wrist to reach it. Also, I can use one hand to open it because of the “support”.

3. The bottom of the Dockers’ “cargo” pockets have no divisions. The SeV’s does. I know this aids in dividing one’s items but it also means that bulkier items (eg. wallet) do not settle all the way into the basement of the pockets. This in turn means that the wallet rests against the normal hand pockets, making them rather inaccessible because of the bulge. Moreover, this also makes the bulkier items closer to the opening of the unzippered hidden pocket, meaning that the likelihood of them actually falling out increases.

Like I said, the positions of the hidden big pockets are the biggest plus point for me. That to me is the true innovation over the “cargo pants” approach of the Dockers Mobile Pant. But the use of magnets, the weird placement of the hidden change pocket and the divisions at the bottom of the hidden large pockets are things, in my opinion, which can be improved upon.

trophyofgrace wrote:

This may be slightly “unorthodox” but I’d actually like denim pants (I guess that’s because I’m 16 :0) )

I’ll be 32 in November, and I’d like to see them in denim as well. So I don’t think it’s simply an age thing.

My reasoning is this: I’m looking to make this number/level/style of pockets my norm–not just “something I have available some of the time.”

The one thing is that denim doesn’t hold up for as many washes as other fabrics…

This may be slightly “unorthodox” but I’d actually like denim pants (I guess that’s because I’m 16 :0) )

scottevest wrote:

Army green is coming soon! Any suggestions for more colors? People tell us black but I am having difficulities seeing them in black in my mind. Thoughts are appreciated.

I know I’d go for black; no way I’d go for green. I’d prefer a charcoal grey to black, but I’d take black as long as I was sure it wouldn’t fade quickly. I’ve seen plenty of people with store-bought black cargo pants, so it seems likely that HCP buyers would go for them in black too…

2 clear metrics from my perspective:

1) What colors are people asking for?
2) What is selling generally (or to a target demographic) in stores?

Axel

trophyofgrace wrote:

do the pockets still open up like the pre-prod?

when sitting? We have not made any other changes. So, yes, like all pants when sitting they will open, but the pockets are deep enough that there is very little risk of things falling out.

Scott

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scottevest wrote:

We are sending Judie a production pair to correct the information on the review regarding the pre-production samples.

Yes, please do!

Haha – I know you meant Julie.

We are sending Judie a production pair to correct the information on the review regarding the pre-production samples.

I love them!

Scott