scottevest wrote:

Let me know what you think when you get it.

Scott,

I like the Leather Jacket lots, the design style is cool looking. I should have gotten one sooner. I was very surprised by how soft the leather is. I have never owned leather products with leather so soft. As with the the other eVests I own, the Leather Version is a perfect fit on me, as if custom tailored (sleeves just right and body not baggy… maybe I am lucky in that regard). Its also a good thing that the pocket layout is the same on all versions of 3.0 eVests, makes it easy to navigate for those of us with multiple versions.

In my opinion the logos dont ruin the appearance of the jacket, looks very good on the leather. The soft “Technology Enabled Clothing” patch is nice too, although I have gotten used to not brushing my hand over the area of the plastic patch on my other eVests. Personally I like the “SeV” and “Technology Enabled Clothing” logos.

A minor disappointment for me with the jacket is the lack of a 2-way front zipper. I am so used to having that on my Finetex, Spring, and SportTEC versions. I find that on those really chilly days, its easier to unzip the lower part of the zipper for getting into the car. Makes me wonder if the lack of magnets on the flap is the reason for not having the 2-way zipper.

Julie wrote:

allen_tec:

I wear very thin sweaters or even short sleeve sweaters with the jacket. Today it is maybe 33 degrees here and the jacket was perfect. Give it a try

:unsure:
I just spent 2 weeks fighting off a terrible cold (caught it changing a flat tire), I think I will wait til I ‘m fully better before I experiment with outerwear options. My Finetex and Fleece are keeping me warm in the freezing temps we’re having.

I suppose if it had some chains hanging from it and a rivet or two, she would call it perfect.

Judie wrote:

…and when you make it in brown and add a slightly girlier version (princess seams and slightly shorter length), then I will have to own one.

Well if we’re making wishes, I’ll have a goth version of the jacket. As it is now, it looks a bit too boring for me. (What is it with clothes anyway? All of the interesting stuff lacks pockets. Hmph.)

I wear very thin sweaters or even short sleeve sweaters with the jacket. Today it is maybe 33 degrees here and the jacket was perfect. Give it a try

Julie wrote:

allen_tec:

You’re going to love it. I’ve been wearing mine this winter. Even though it was only 0 degrees yesterday morning and 1 degree today, it kept me warm!

Julie,

I recieved the leather jacket yesterday. I do agree that it is thin, but I am a bit afraid of wearing it in freezing temps. Are you wearing a heavy sweater or lots of layers with the jacket?

You’re going to love it. I’ve been wearing mine this winter. Even though it was only 0 degrees yesterday morning and 1 degree today, it kept me warm!

Speaking of which, my objection to the scott evest logo isn’t simply that it’s everywhere on their clothing. I don’t like the logo because in my humble opinion it is an amateur effort. Combination of letter logos (particularly with varying fonts) are frequently used by amateurs to create logos because they don’t have graphic arts skills. I.e., they use combinations of letters simply because that’s all they can do.

All the other logos mentioned in the scott evest threads, e.g., northface’s, were done by professionals and that’s obvious from looking at them.

Originally posted by allen_tec
[B]One,

Seems you’re into more the fashion and opinions than the function of the said garment. Which is ok, but to think you’re in the majority could be a little off. If the majority thinks negative about the collar,logos and other fashion details…. why is it that Scott has been able to sell so many of the SeV’s? Could it be function out-weighing fashion or something else? [/B]

With clothing, I do tend to care more about it’s looks than it’s function. Who knows, maybe that’s due to me having been an artist my whole life. I think it has something to do with my perspectives.

In my view, that’s what clothes are primarily about, though. The fashion aspect. Not function. Not to say that function isn’t important. But people may define function in slightly different ways. Some feel the function of clothes is merely to achieve a certain look and little or nothing more. But I understand what you’re getting at in terms of this jacket. Moreover, most pants have their typical pockets as well as many shirts and jackets, but we dress like we do largely because of how we wish to look.

In terms of Scott’s jackets, I do care about their function because of their unique properties and what purpose they serve, simply for the fact that in terms of function, they answer a need for people like you and me and many others who choose to carry a lot of devices around at all times. But with clothing, I care about the looks first, and function second. If it doesn’t look good to me, I won’t buy it no matter what it can do. To me, clothes, for most, are different from buying anything else in the way that with electronics, for example, we might put up with something that isn’t quite as attractive as we might wish, because it provides us with the features that we’re looking for. But with clothing, people are not so tolerant in this way simply for the fact that a piece of clothing’s main purpose is to serve our appearance first, and any particular function, second. Your appearance is what others see first or at all, not the function. Naturally, I’m speaking of clothes that someone may wear to an office, or out on the town, etc., not specialty clothes that would be used for construction work or something of that nature where appearance is largely irrelevant.

Some people will think that my perspectives are not accurate. But apart from my own interest in my own image to whatever degree, my perspectives about what I believe most others think is influenced on how much value our society indeed places on image and being aware of how clothing is so intimately tied into this.

I’m sure Scott has sold many of these jackets… I don’t doubt that. But my perspectives are also influenced by some of the design details found on most jackets. I understand that it isn’t always easily accepted when someone includes terms like “majority” when speaking of the level of adoption they think their opinions may have among the masses, as I have. But the highest percentage of jackets I’ve seen in many different popular stores, as well as what I see most people wearing in populated suburban cities, have no logos plastered on them, or collars that don’t fold down. I realize there are those jackets that do, but I have every reason to believe their count is the smallest minority. It’s just not a popular design, and there’s a reason for that. This is what communicates to me that my suggestions may be more poplular. But my desires are not influenced by what I think just happens to be popular, but rather simply what I find looks good. I would like to see, one day, versions of Scott’s jackets that would integrate the particular fashion suggestions that I have made. And so I think that sales may increase that much more taking these suggestions into consideration and implementing them into additional versions of his jackets. Keep the style he has now, and merely add other versions with the styles that I’m suggesting that would appeal to others.

I’m just very interested in Scott’s jackets, but I have certain wishes in terms of looks, and so because I care about it, I share my thoughts. Even if it may annoy some.

Seems you’re into more the fashion and opinions than the function of the said garment. Which is ok, but to think you’re in the majority could be a little off. If the majority thinks negative about the collar,logos and other fashion details…. why is it that Scott has been able to sell so many of the SeV’s? Could it be function out-weighing fashion or something else?

Originally posted by allen_tec
[B]Being a very picky person, I think the collar and logos on the SeV’s are fine the way they are and I like them.

The SeV collar does as it was intended to, keep one warm. My old beat up leather jacket with its fold down collar does not protect my neck from wind like the SeV collar does (Scott, keep the collar the way it is).[/B]

By contrast, my leather jacket with its fold down collar keeps me very warm. At times, I actually become hot. I’ve never had a problem with fold down collars, and for some reason, I don’t suspect most people do, for the simple fact that the highest majority of jackets are made with fold down collars. And most jackets that are designed to keep you warm have fold down collars that can be flipped up if necessary.

What I don’t quite understand about all the talk about the collar as it relates to warmth, is that people talk as if they’re going to be walking out into a blizzard in this thing. If you’re in need of that kind of warmth, a good solution would be to buy and wear a turtleneck.

And yes, keep the collar the way it is. Then make another version for those of us who don’t like it.

I think the straight up collar is of a futuristic style (which I like very much over the old stuff with fold down collars). If you take a look at sci-fi movie and tv shows… the costume designers put a straight up collar on a lot of the garments (seeing such garments in my favorite tv shows had at times made me wish that someone would make and sell stuff like that).

Each to his own. But IMHO, you are seriously in the minority with that fashion perspective. I guess I’m looking to blend in a little more. For me, I’m not interested in having people think I’m trying to look as though I’m from the future or just walked out of a Battlestar Galactica or a Star Trek episode. I guess that makes me “different”, but it’s just my preference.

The logos on a SeV are nicely designed and not noticable as some other garments out there with logos… such as North Face with its giant jump out at you logo on the front panel.

I’m sure you’re right in regard to that, but for me, I’m just not into logos on leather. I have no reason to believe that most people are, based on what I’ve seen out there, and what I’ve heard customers express. (I used to manage a store that sold a lot of leather jackets, so part of my perspective derives from this experience).

I realize that we all have our opinions and experiences, our likes and dislikes. But, Scott, I think that you may be ignoring a significant audience due to certain styling with your jackets. I’m only trying to communicate a few things to you because although your jacket concept is a fantastic idea, fashion can be a very sensitive thing when it comes to potential customers… often times, there is a fine line between attracting them and not.

The SeV collar does as it was intended to, keep one warm. My old beat up leather jacket with its fold down collar does not protect my neck from wind like the SeV collar does (Scott, keep the collar the way it is).

I think the straight up collar is of a futuristic style (which I like very much over the old stuff with fold down collars). If you take a look at sci-fi movie and tv shows… the costume designers put a straight up collar on a lot of the garments (seeing such garments in my favorite tv shows had at times made me wish that someone would make and sell stuff like that).

The logos on a SeV are nicely designed and not noticable as some other garments out there with logos… such as North Face with its giant jump out at you logo on the front panel.

I have two products from Scott and they are both great and useful. I already have two leather jackets that are not of his manufacture only because they were purchased last year.

Keep up the good work both of you!

Although I’m not a fan of all the “lines” or seams traveling throughout the front of the jacket, I understand there is virtually no way around this if you want all of the pockets on the outside. You might consider a version with all of the interior pockets and just two outside pockets. This would eliminate most of the seams in the front while still providing wearers with storage.

THE LINES ARE REQUIRED ONE WAY OR ANOTHER WITH LAMBSKIN, BECAUSE THE PIECES OF LAMBSKIN ARE NOT LARGE ENOUGH OR UNIFORM IN SIZE. SO, EVEN IF WE ELIMINATED THE EXTERIOR POCKETS, YOU WOULD STILL SEE THE LINES.

I understand what you’re saying, Scott, but I’m wondering if there is some way that when sewing the inner pockets, they could be sewn to an additional inner liner layer of some sort that would reside in between the lambskin and the outer liner on the inside of the jacket, to help prevent some of the seams on the outside of the jacket (of course, assuming that you created a model that only had two standard pockets like you see on most jackets). I have a leather jacket that is lambskin, and although it has some seams (only a couple) on the back because the jacket is larger, the inner pockets don’t create any seams on the outside of the jacket. My jacket also was $400.

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I do have to agree, though… on leather, the logos gotta go. ALL OF THEM. I won’t buy any leather jacket, especially one with a pricetag of $400 with all those logos, and I’m in the majority. Let the jacket speak for itself. All the seams in the front will allow people to easily recognize who the jacket is made by. Failing that, you could have a logo on the inside of the jacket, which is how all the other really nice leather jacket manufacturers do it.

IF I HAD TO DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN, WHICH I MAY SOMETIME ON ANOTHER VERSION, I WOULD REMOVE TWO OF THE OUTSIDE LOGOS, THE ONES ON THE LOWER FRONT. I DON’T THINK HAVING TWO SMALL SeV LOGOS AND ZIPPER PULLS IS THAT DISTRACTING. MANY OF THE OTHER LOGOS COUNTED WERE IN THE INSIDE OF THE JACKET AND ARE NOT VISIBLE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURES, THE LOGOS DON’T POP OUT AT YOU.

I believe you. It looks nice in the photos. Not like that real shiny, cheap stuff. Good choice on the leather.

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Thanks for taking an interest in some of my suggestions and replying. I really appreciate it. I believe that my suggestions would make your jacket even nicer and would love to see these things incorporated into future versions, as I could really take advantage of all the pockets these jackets provide.

Happy Thanksgiving

Scott

It looks FAB as it is, those are just my personal wish list items.

Judie :0)

Originally posted by One of One
[B]

Although I’m not a fan of all the “lines” or seams traveling throughout the front of the jacket, I understand there is virtually no way around this if you want all of the pockets on the outside. You might consider a version with all of the interior pockets and just two outside pockets. This would eliminate most of the seams in the front while still providing wearers with storage.

THE LINES ARE REQUIRED ONE WAY OR ANOTHER WITH LAMBSKIN, BECAUSE THE PIECES OF LAMBSKIN ARE NOT LARGE ENOUGH OR UNIFORM IN SIZE. SO, EVEN IF WE ELIMINATED THE EXTERIOR POCKETS, YOU WOULD STILL SEE THE LINES.

I do have to agree, though… on leather, the logos gotta go. ALL OF THEM. I won’t buy any leather jacket, especially one with a pricetag of $400 with all those logos, and I’m in the majority. Let the jacket speak for itself. All the seams in the front will allow people to easily recognize who the jacket is made by. Failing that, you could have a logo on the inside of the jacket, which is how all the other really nice leather jacket manufacturers do it.

IF I HAD TO DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN, WHICH I MAY SOMETIME ON ANOTHER VERSION, I WOULD REMOVE TWO OF THE OUTSIDE LOGOS, THE ONES ON THE LOWER FRONT. I DON’T THINK HAVING TWO SMALL SeV LOGOS AND ZIPPER PULLS IS THAT DISTRACTING. MANY OF THE OTHER LOGOS COUNTED WERE IN THE INSIDE OF THE JACKET AND ARE NOT VISIBLE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURES, THE LOGOS DON’T POP OUT AT YOU.

And I’m sorry if I seem like I’m beating a dead horse, but that collar… I just don’t get it. That collar has GOT to go! Fold down collar!!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!

I HEAR YOU BUT MOST PEOPLE LIKE IT THIS WAY AND IT PROVIDES ADDED WARMTH. I WILL CONSIDER THE COMMENT FOR FUTURE VERSIONS HOWEVER.

In the photo where Julie has the jacket zipped up, that vertical section that hides the zipper looks a bit wrinkled. But I’m not talking about the natural characteristics of the leather itself. It looks like the leather there might be too thin and is hiding a bulky zipper underneath. It would look nicer if the leather there was smoother.

NOT SURE WHICH PIC YOU ARE REFERRING TO.

The only other thing I’d change on it would be the snaps on the sleeve cuffs. For me, I don’t prefer snaps, velcro, or elastic. If anything needed to be on the sleeve cuff, I’d say a couple of nice black buttons instead of anything else. But truthfully, I just prefer a straight barrel cuff with no slit up the cuff and no snaps, velcro, elastic, or buttons. It looks nice by creating nice clean lines on the jacket arms and it feels good, too, especially if you’re wearing a larger watch. And barrel cuffs have never prevented me from staying warm.

CAN YOU SEND ME A PIC OF THE STYLE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT?

But the leather looks to be higher quality from what I can see in the photos. Everything else looks decent. [/B]

IT IS THE HIGHEST QUALITY LAMBSKIN AVAILABLE.

Although I’m not a fan of all the “lines” or seams traveling throughout the front of the jacket, I understand there is virtually no way around this if you want all of the pockets on the outside. But even with this, I think you did a pretty good job. You might consider a version with all of the interior pockets and just two outside pockets. This would eliminate most of the seams in the front while still providing wearers with storage.

I do have to agree, though… on leather, the logos gotta go. ALL OF THEM. I won’t buy any leather jacket, especially one with a pricetag of $400 with all those logos, and I’m in the majority. Let the jacket speak for itself. All the seams in the front will allow people to easily recognize who the jacket is made by. Failing that, you could have a logo on the inside of the jacket, which is how all the other really nice leather jacket manufacturers do it.

And I’m sorry if I seem like I’m beating a dead horse, but that collar… I just don’t get it. That collar has GOT to go! Fold down collar!!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!

In the photo where Julie has the jacket zipped up, that vertical section that hides the zipper looks a bit wrinkled. But I’m not talking about the natural characteristics of the leather itself. It looks like the leather there might be too thin and is hiding a bulky zipper underneath. It would look nicer if the leather there was smoother.

The only other thing I’d change on it would be the snaps on the sleeve cuffs. For me, I don’t prefer snaps, velcro, or elastic. If anything needed to be on the sleeve cuff, I’d say a couple of nice black buttons instead of anything else. But truthfully, I just prefer a straight barrel cuff with no slit up the cuff and no snaps, velcro, elastic, or buttons. It looks nice by creating nice clean lines on the jacket arms and it feels good, too, especially if you’re wearing a larger watch. And barrel cuffs have never prevented me from staying warm.

But the leather looks to be higher quality from what I can see in the photos. Everything else looks decent.

Just wore it to 2 days at Disney, IT WAS PERFECT … The fleese
kept me not to hot or cold, and the water on those water rides
did not stay on long enough to soak in.. This a must, for a travler with kids and gadgets…

I have been thinking that leather would look good too and now i will be ording one also.

A msg for scott ; Tell Julie Merry Christmass, us gadget geeks support julie and f her site, you will make up the 400 many times over !!!!

Julie hope this helps, if not thanks for your hard work, your reviews have identified many great products, your reviews are
aways perfect…

by – the – way, you are correct, dropping a logo wouldnt hurt.

laurence

Scott