Comments on: Destinator Personal Navigation System for Pocket PC (Installed in Vehicle with ProClip System) Review http://the-gadgeteer.com/2003/04/11/destinator_personal_navigation_system_for_pocket_pc_installed_in_vehicle_with_proclip_system_review/ Gadget reviews and news by Julie Strietelmeier and friends since 1997 Sat, 26 May 2012 01:04:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Julie http://the-gadgeteer.com/2003/04/11/destinator_personal_navigation_system_for_pocket_pc_installed_in_vehicle_with_proclip_system_review/comment-page-1/#comment-37788 Julie Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:03:10 +0000 #comment-37788 @Mary E. Taylor Your SUV doesn't have a power port at all? That's hard to imagine. I think all vehicles have at least one 12v port. Look around the center console and see if there's a port with a circular cap over it. If not, go to a Mitsubishi dealer and ask about getting one installed. @Mary E. Taylor Your SUV doesn’t have a power port at all? That’s hard to imagine. I think all vehicles have at least one 12v port. Look around the center console and see if there’s a port with a circular cap over it. If not, go to a Mitsubishi dealer and ask about getting one installed.

]]> By: Mary E. Taylor http://the-gadgeteer.com/2003/04/11/destinator_personal_navigation_system_for_pocket_pc_installed_in_vehicle_with_proclip_system_review/comment-page-1/#comment-37727 Mary E. Taylor Sat, 20 Jun 2009 06:41:27 +0000 #comment-37727 I bought a 2007 Mitz. Endeavor SUV. I don't smoke so I didn't warry about not having a cigarette lighter in my truck. Now, I want to purchase a GPS Navigator, and I need to charge my cell phone. Would it be very exspensive to have a cigarette lighter installed? Where can i go to have one installed? Thank you, Ms. Taylor vegas_florida3@yahoo.com I bought a 2007 Mitz. Endeavor SUV. I don’t smoke so I didn’t warry about not having a cigarette lighter in my truck. Now, I want to purchase a GPS Navigator, and I need to charge my cell phone. Would it be very exspensive to have a cigarette lighter installed? Where can i go to have one installed?

Thank you,

Ms. Taylor
vegas_florida3@yahoo.com

]]> By: RX78 http://the-gadgeteer.com/2003/04/11/destinator_personal_navigation_system_for_pocket_pc_installed_in_vehicle_with_proclip_system_review/comment-page-1/#comment-17193 RX78 Thu, 17 Apr 2003 21:28:33 +0000 #comment-17193 Judie, thanks for the great review. Exactly what I have been looking for. OTOH, for me I only have a Clie NR70V and a semi-retired N760C. Is there any solution for the Palm side? Or how about a solution for the iPaq 1910? I am thinking of switching to that, but don't see any solution for that PocketPC yet. Judie, thanks for the great review. Exactly what I have been looking for.

OTOH, for me I only have a Clie NR70V and a semi-retired N760C. Is there any solution for the Palm side?

Or how about a solution for the iPaq 1910? I am thinking of switching to that, but don’t see any solution for that PocketPC yet.

]]> By: powerl http://the-gadgeteer.com/2003/04/11/destinator_personal_navigation_system_for_pocket_pc_installed_in_vehicle_with_proclip_system_review/comment-page-1/#comment-17192 powerl Thu, 17 Apr 2003 15:29:30 +0000 #comment-17192 For a 3D position, the unit has to track 4 SVs (Satellite Vehicles). Current recievers have 12 parallel channels. The early units had 2 channels and would multiplex. One channel would lock onto a specific PRN (Pseudo random number - one unique number per SV) and recieve the navigation message. While this was happening the other channel would be skipping between the SVs to see which ones were in view. So, these recievers would be skipping from one SV to another receiving one navigation message at a time and then calculating a position. Satellite hand off is not the issue, the recievers have ways to cope. On most recievers even if you loose lock (going through a tunnel for example) the NMEA stream will still output your last position but it is tagged as an old position. Garmin units have a dead recokning function. If it looses *all* lock can can no longer even calcualte a 2D position (3 SVs) it will perform dead recokning for 30 seconds, basically, it will maintain your bearing and velocity for 30 seconds after loss of lock, only then alerting you to the fact that GPS lock has been lost. Your GPS will use the 4 satellites in view with the best geometry, if you look at the GPS detail page, that is what the PDOP is telling you (Point Dilution of Precision). Turning off the GPS (no NMEA stream) verses no lock (NMEA stream with no position in the $GPGGA sentence) are two different things. From the original post, it seems that when the GPS was turned off, the mapping application would have to be restarted as it would not reconnect to the GPS it if was turned on again. For a 3D position, the unit has to track 4 SVs (Satellite Vehicles). Current recievers have 12 parallel channels. The early units had 2 channels and would multiplex. One channel would lock onto a specific PRN (Pseudo random number – one unique number per SV) and recieve the navigation message. While this was happening the other channel would be skipping between the SVs to see which ones were in view. So, these recievers would be skipping from one SV to another receiving one navigation message at a time and then calculating a position.

Satellite hand off is not the issue, the recievers have ways to cope. On most recievers even if you loose lock (going through a tunnel for example) the NMEA stream will still output your last position but it is tagged as an old position. Garmin units have a dead recokning function. If it looses *all* lock can can no longer even calcualte a 2D position (3 SVs) it will perform dead recokning for 30 seconds, basically, it will maintain your bearing and velocity for 30 seconds after loss of lock, only then alerting you to the fact that GPS lock has been lost.

Your GPS will use the 4 satellites in view with the best geometry, if you look at the GPS detail page, that is what the PDOP is telling you (Point Dilution of Precision). Turning off the GPS (no NMEA stream) verses no lock (NMEA stream with no position in the $GPGGA sentence) are two different things. From the original post, it seems that when the GPS was turned off, the mapping application would have to be restarted as it would not reconnect to the GPS it if was turned on again.

]]> By: Altema http://the-gadgeteer.com/2003/04/11/destinator_personal_navigation_system_for_pocket_pc_installed_in_vehicle_with_proclip_system_review/comment-page-1/#comment-17191 Altema Thu, 17 Apr 2003 14:41:09 +0000 #comment-17191 <blockquote><em>Originally posted by The Reader </em> <strong>Your problem of where it resets is a software/hard glitch on your ipaq. Your GPS probably uses only minimum of 3 of the sattlites need for a precise location, and when one sat get's weak, it will hand off to another one of the other ones. The hard/software probably doesn't do this handoff properly, as it is a suprisingly complex process. It is simular to when you roam and talk with your cell phone while driving you won't get disconnected and will switch over to a different basestation/provider. How's that for technicals. </strong></blockquote> I'm not sure of the hardware specs for this device, but most of them aquire more than the minimum just so handoffs don't kill the trig functions. The only time I've had less than 5 locks on my Navman was during a snowstorm with whiteout conditions. Perhaps her device is setup to use the minimum?... Most of the time for me, 6 to 9 locks are normal. The most I've ever had is 12 aquired at the same time, but like you mentioned, it can calc my location after the first 3. I've never had a reset while using the GPS, but there has been two times where My Palm would not talk to the GPS until I did a soft reset. Paul

Originally posted by The Reader
Your problem of where it resets is a software/hard glitch on your ipaq. Your GPS probably uses only minimum of 3 of the sattlites need for a precise location, and when one sat get’s weak, it will hand off to another one of the other ones. The hard/software probably doesn’t do this handoff properly, as it is a suprisingly complex process. It is simular to when you roam and talk with your cell phone while driving you won’t get disconnected and will switch over to a different basestation/provider. How’s that for technicals.

I’m not sure of the hardware specs for this device, but most of them aquire more than the minimum just so handoffs don’t kill the trig functions. The only time I’ve had less than 5 locks on my Navman was during a snowstorm with whiteout conditions. Perhaps her device is setup to use the minimum?…

Most of the time for me, 6 to 9 locks are normal. The most I’ve ever had is 12 aquired at the same time, but like you mentioned, it can calc my location after the first 3.

I’ve never had a reset while using the GPS, but there has been two times where My Palm would not talk to the GPS until I did a soft reset.

Paul

]]> By: The Reader http://the-gadgeteer.com/2003/04/11/destinator_personal_navigation_system_for_pocket_pc_installed_in_vehicle_with_proclip_system_review/comment-page-1/#comment-17190 The Reader Thu, 17 Apr 2003 00:49:12 +0000 #comment-17190 Your problem of where it resets is a software/hard glitch on your ipaq. Your GPS probably uses only minimum of 3 of the sattlites need for a precise location, and when one sat get's weak, it will hand off to another one of the other ones. The hard/software probably doesn't do this handoff properly, as it is a suprisingly complex process. It is simular to when you roam and talk with your cell phone while driving you won't get disconnected and will switch over to a different basestation/provider. How's that for technicals. Your problem of where it resets is a software/hard glitch on your ipaq. Your GPS probably uses only minimum of 3 of the sattlites need for a precise location, and when one sat get’s weak, it will hand off to another one of the other ones. The hard/software probably doesn’t do this handoff properly, as it is a suprisingly complex process. It is simular to when you roam and talk with your cell phone while driving you won’t get disconnected and will switch over to a different basestation/provider. How’s that for technicals.

]]> By: aflan http://the-gadgeteer.com/2003/04/11/destinator_personal_navigation_system_for_pocket_pc_installed_in_vehicle_with_proclip_system_review/comment-page-1/#comment-17189 aflan Tue, 15 Apr 2003 23:06:01 +0000 #comment-17189 Yes, I'm using Mapopolis now and I love it. I'm not seeing much use for Clearroute though. I doesn't seem to give accurate info in the south bay area of California. I've never seen a route change due to traffic or seen any traffic warnings. Allen Yes, I’m using Mapopolis now and I love it. I’m not seeing much use for Clearroute though. I doesn’t seem to give accurate info in the south bay area of California. I’ve never seen a route change due to traffic or seen any traffic warnings.

Allen

]]> By: flamaest http://the-gadgeteer.com/2003/04/11/destinator_personal_navigation_system_for_pocket_pc_installed_in_vehicle_with_proclip_system_review/comment-page-1/#comment-17188 flamaest Tue, 15 Apr 2003 20:37:01 +0000 #comment-17188 has anyone tried this new mapping software.. FREE.. <a href="http://www.mapopolis.com/cooltraffic.jsp">http://www.mapopolis.com/cooltraffic.jsp</a> F. has anyone tried this new mapping software.. FREE..

http://www.mapopolis.com/cooltraffic.jsp

F.

]]> By: Judie http://the-gadgeteer.com/2003/04/11/destinator_personal_navigation_system_for_pocket_pc_installed_in_vehicle_with_proclip_system_review/comment-page-1/#comment-17187 Judie Tue, 15 Apr 2003 02:47:27 +0000 #comment-17187 aflan, You misunderstood what I wrote, or I (most likely) wasn't clear enough. I wasn't even thinking of having an entered destination when I stop somewhere that I would want to remove the iPAQ from its cradle. Generally I will enter where I am going and other than stopping for a meal or gas, I don't make any stops. Or my destination willl <strong>be</strong> the stop. Otherwise, as long as my iPAQ is in the ProClip cradle it is receiving power from my cigarette lighter, so my route is not lost and my iPAQ never turns off. I can totally see where it would be handy to enter multiple stops on the fly, tho. Maybe v3.0. :) Judie :0) aflan,

You misunderstood what I wrote, or I (most likely) wasn’t clear enough.

I wasn’t even thinking of having an entered destination when I stop somewhere that I would want to remove the iPAQ from its cradle. Generally I will enter where I am going and other than stopping for a meal or gas, I don’t make any stops. Or my destination willl be the stop. Otherwise, as long as my iPAQ is in the ProClip cradle it is receiving power from my cigarette lighter, so my route is not lost and my iPAQ never turns off.

I can totally see where it would be handy to enter multiple stops on the fly, tho. Maybe v3.0. :)

Judie :0)

]]> By: aflan http://the-gadgeteer.com/2003/04/11/destinator_personal_navigation_system_for_pocket_pc_installed_in_vehicle_with_proclip_system_review/comment-page-1/#comment-17186 aflan Tue, 15 Apr 2003 02:33:38 +0000 #comment-17186 Judie, Why Quit the program if you are making a short stop on your way to the main destination? Mapopolis lets you stop, turn off the Ipaq and/or Gps, and start up seamlessly. It's one of my pet peeves that none of the pocket pc mapping systems allows Stops to be entered in a route on the fly. This would allow forcing the program to avoid areas you know you don't want to go through!, or forcing it to take roads you like. I don't know about you, but most of my trips are multi-stop. Have a good one Allen Judie,

Why Quit the program if you are making a short stop on your way to the main destination? Mapopolis lets you stop, turn off the Ipaq and/or Gps, and start up seamlessly. It’s one of my pet peeves that none of the pocket pc mapping systems allows
Stops to be entered in a route on the fly. This would allow forcing the program to avoid areas you know you don’t want to go through!, or forcing it to take roads you like. I don’t know about you, but most of my trips are multi-stop.

Have a good one

Allen

]]> By: Judie http://the-gadgeteer.com/2003/04/11/destinator_personal_navigation_system_for_pocket_pc_installed_in_vehicle_with_proclip_system_review/comment-page-1/#comment-17185 Judie Tue, 15 Apr 2003 00:22:12 +0000 #comment-17185 >>Hum... not tracking here. Destinator software and maps CD costs $250. Mapopolis maps CD (app is free) costs $110. How does that balance out? Do you get free map updates with Destinator? << Yes, to the best of my knowledge, you do. That's why they have you register when you purchase. If someone knows differently, please advise. >>>>The 3-D view is my favorite<<<< >>Tisk, tisk... you're not supposed to be looking at the display, that is what the nice mellifluous voice is for...<< Ah, but you are asuming that I am always the driver. Actually, I am quite often the co-pilot - especially on trips. ;) Judie :0) >>Hum… not tracking here. Destinator software and maps CD costs $250. Mapopolis maps CD (app is free) costs $110. How does that balance out? Do you get free map updates with Destinator? <<

Yes, to the best of my knowledge, you do. That’s why they have you register when you purchase. If someone knows differently, please advise.

>>>>The 3-D view is my favorite<<<<
>>Tisk, tisk… you’re not supposed to be looking at the display, that is what the nice mellifluous voice is for…<<

Ah, but you are asuming that I am always the driver. Actually, I am quite often the co-pilot – especially on trips. ;)

Judie :0)

]]> By: powerl http://the-gadgeteer.com/2003/04/11/destinator_personal_navigation_system_for_pocket_pc_installed_in_vehicle_with_proclip_system_review/comment-page-1/#comment-17184 powerl Tue, 15 Apr 2003 00:01:49 +0000 #comment-17184 >>I realize that the program is pricey, but since there is no additional subscription to pay for I think it balances out.<< Hum... not tracking here. Destinator software and maps CD costs $250. Mapopolis maps CD (app is free) costs $110. How does that balance out? :) Do you get free map updates with Destinator? Not that I am being picky here, I dont want to come across as an advocate for Mapopolis. There are, as we all know, a number of options out there. TeleType, Mapopolis, Pharos, Delorme Xmap etc. All a question of finding a bearable pricepoint and the set of features you require. >>The 3-D view is my favorite<< Tisk, tisk... you're not supposed to be looking at the display, that is what the nice mellifluous voice is for... >>I realize that the program is pricey, but since there is no additional subscription to pay for I think it balances out.<<

Hum… not tracking here. Destinator software and maps CD costs $250. Mapopolis maps CD (app is free) costs $110. How does that balance out? :) Do you get free map updates with Destinator?

Not that I am being picky here, I dont want to come across as an advocate for Mapopolis. There are, as we all know, a number of options out there. TeleType, Mapopolis, Pharos, Delorme Xmap etc. All a question of finding a bearable pricepoint and the set of features you require.

>>The 3-D view is my favorite<<
Tisk, tisk… you’re not supposed to be looking at the display, that is what the nice mellifluous voice is for…

]]> By: Judie http://the-gadgeteer.com/2003/04/11/destinator_personal_navigation_system_for_pocket_pc_installed_in_vehicle_with_proclip_system_review/comment-page-1/#comment-17183 Judie Mon, 14 Apr 2003 20:02:20 +0000 #comment-17183 aflan, Since I usually leave my iPAQ in the cradle and powered up (even at night) I hadn't really had a problem with having to restart destinations, like that. When I do remove my iPAQ from the cradle (like at the mall or places like that), I generally exit the program anyways, restarting everything when I get back. I realize that the program is pricey, but since there is no additional subscription to pay for I think it balances out. The 3-D view is my favorite, so it would be hard for me to switch to another brand for any reason. Isn't it funny how there are special little things that are deal-breakers for us all when it comes to using something other than that which we are satisfied with? Judie aflan,

Since I usually leave my iPAQ in the cradle and powered up (even at night) I hadn’t really had a problem with having to restart destinations, like that.

When I do remove my iPAQ from the cradle (like at the mall or places like that), I generally exit the program anyways, restarting everything when I get back.

I realize that the program is pricey, but since there is no additional subscription to pay for I think it balances out.

The 3-D view is my favorite, so it would be hard for me to switch to another brand for any reason. Isn’t it funny how there are special little things that are deal-breakers for us all when it comes to using something other than that which we are satisfied with?

Judie

]]> By: aflan http://the-gadgeteer.com/2003/04/11/destinator_personal_navigation_system_for_pocket_pc_installed_in_vehicle_with_proclip_system_review/comment-page-1/#comment-17182 aflan Mon, 14 Apr 2003 19:36:52 +0000 #comment-17182 I have Destinator 2.0, it's a pretty good program but I have some issues with it. If you lose power to the gps, you have to restart destinator and re enter the destination for instance. I am trying Mapopolis and I'm really liking it so far. It is much faster for things like accessing contacts and re-routing. You can turn your car off at a gas station and when you restart Mapopolis picks up like nothing happened. It's also cheaper than Destinator. The only thing I miss is the 3-d view mode. I also like the flexibility of being able to load individual county maps and route across them seamlessly. I'm about to buy Mapopolis, just trying to decide between the CD or Subrsciption I have Destinator 2.0, it’s a pretty good program but I have some issues with it. If you lose power to the gps, you have to restart destinator and re enter the destination for instance. I am trying Mapopolis and I’m really liking it so far. It is much faster for things like accessing contacts and re-routing. You can turn your car off at a gas station and when you restart Mapopolis picks up like nothing happened. It’s also cheaper than Destinator. The only thing I miss is the 3-d view mode. I also like the flexibility of being able to load individual county maps and route across them seamlessly. I’m about to buy Mapopolis, just trying to decide between the CD or Subrsciption

]]> By: Altema http://the-gadgeteer.com/2003/04/11/destinator_personal_navigation_system_for_pocket_pc_installed_in_vehicle_with_proclip_system_review/comment-page-1/#comment-17181 Altema Mon, 14 Apr 2003 18:06:05 +0000 #comment-17181 Judie, welcome to the GPS Junkies club! I was so excited when I got my first GPS that I drove to the UPS terminal to pick it up in person and installed it in the parking lot! Took it a couple of minutes to figure out where it was the first time it woke up, but I drove home with it on. One thing I did not like was that the StreetFinder software had no rotation ability, despite the cool looking maps. Also, there was no way it could do a route unless you ran it on the desktop/laptop AND had a live internet connection. I switched to Mapopolis and have been a happy camper ever since. One question; does your GPS use WAAS? It should be in the manual for the GPS device itself. Judie, welcome to the GPS Junkies club! I was so excited when I got my first GPS that I drove to the UPS terminal to pick it up in person and installed it in the parking lot! Took it a couple of minutes to figure out where it was the first time it woke up, but I drove home with it on.

One thing I did not like was that the StreetFinder software had no rotation ability, despite the cool looking maps. Also, there was no way it could do a route unless you ran it on the desktop/laptop AND had a live internet connection. I switched to Mapopolis and have been a happy camper ever since.

One question; does your GPS use WAAS? It should be in the manual for the GPS device itself.

]]> By: Ronald_L http://the-gadgeteer.com/2003/04/11/destinator_personal_navigation_system_for_pocket_pc_installed_in_vehicle_with_proclip_system_review/comment-page-1/#comment-17180 Ronald_L Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:49:53 +0000 #comment-17180 Clean car !:D Clean car !:D

]]> By: powerl http://the-gadgeteer.com/2003/04/11/destinator_personal_navigation_system_for_pocket_pc_installed_in_vehicle_with_proclip_system_review/comment-page-1/#comment-17179 powerl Sun, 13 Apr 2003 21:24:20 +0000 #comment-17179 The Destinator is a bit on the expensive side. There are cheaper alternatives that do basically the same job with the same Navtech datasets. Nice review, but I am more than happy with my Socket Bluetooth GPS, Dell Axim X5 (with CF Bluetooth Card) and a copy of Mapopolis. No messy wires to deal with. The Destinator is a bit on the expensive side. There are cheaper alternatives that do basically the same job with the same Navtech datasets. Nice review, but I am more than happy with my Socket Bluetooth GPS, Dell Axim X5 (with CF Bluetooth Card) and a copy of Mapopolis. No messy wires to deal with.

]]> By: Judie http://the-gadgeteer.com/2003/04/11/destinator_personal_navigation_system_for_pocket_pc_installed_in_vehicle_with_proclip_system_review/comment-page-1/#comment-17178 Judie Sat, 12 Apr 2003 00:39:44 +0000 #comment-17178 Post your comments here on the Destinator Personal Navigation System for Pocket PC (Installed in Vehicle with ProClip System). <a href="http://www.the-gadgeteer.com/destinator-proclip-review.html">http://www.the-gadgeteer.com/destinator-proclip-review.html</a> Just click the POST REPLY button on this page. Post your comments here on the Destinator Personal Navigation System for Pocket PC (Installed in Vehicle with ProClip System).

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