Comments on: Pal Pal Twistor Review http://the-gadgeteer.com/2000/06/05/pal_pal_twistor_review/ Gadget reviews and news by Julie Strietelmeier and friends since 1997 Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:57:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: plainsong http://the-gadgeteer.com/2000/06/05/pal_pal_twistor_review/comment-page-1/#comment-14184 plainsong Sat, 22 Feb 2003 13:15:38 +0000 #comment-14184 Julie - reading your diary post about Pockettunes, it's not just you, it definately distorts in a Rice Krispies sort of way. :o Aeroplayer also distorted until the latest version, which cleared up the sound a good bit. Could it be that we're hearing the Palm access the memory card? Julie – reading your diary post about Pockettunes, it’s not just you, it definately distorts in a Rice Krispies sort of way. :o Aeroplayer also distorted until the latest version, which cleared up the sound a good bit. Could it be that we’re hearing the Palm access the memory card?

]]> By: plainsong http://the-gadgeteer.com/2000/06/05/pal_pal_twistor_review/comment-page-1/#comment-14183 plainsong Thu, 20 Feb 2003 08:52:49 +0000 #comment-14183 When you say Grado beats all Sony, and all Sennheisers, that's not exactly the most accurate of statements. Firstly, it depends on what model headphone you're talking about, and the quality of your sources. For example, Senn 600s with an iPod and a rather nice Porta Corda II headphone amp can sound uninspiring. The Senn 600s need far better to really sing. Each model sounds so different that it's too broad to say one brand beats another. The Grados have always been far too bright for my taste. You could call them Grate-ohs. And at 32ohms impedence, they're still not all that efficient, meaning they _have_to have an amp in order to sound their best. Models I'm referring to here are the sr40s, sr60s, sr80s, sr125s, sr 325s, and rs-2s. No, I haven't heard the rs-1s. I currently own the sr60 and use them whenever I want an instant headache. They're just too bright for my tastes although of course everyone has different preferences. Most of the Sony headphones do suck...until you get into the realm of the v6 (not v600) or 7506, the D66 EGGO, the cd3000 and the r10. To say those suck means there's probably something wrong with your other audio gear. And lastly, I'd call the B&O a8s the king of the cheap earbuds. They're reliable, they don't distort too badly, but otherwise they're not too accurate, and they lack in mids, lows and highs. But for cheap headphones they're a bit pricey. If price isn't an issue, then they're not bad with pdas in that pdas are horrible audio sources and you're not missing much sound-quality wise. And yes, I bought a pair in a moment of insanity. But to say that _all_ Grados are better than _all_ Sonys and _all_ Sennheisers...and then turn around and say that B&O a8s are good.. well, maybe you should take a trip over to <a href="www.head-fi.org">www.head-fi.org</a> ;) It's not an audiophile snob thing. You can get awesome sound with modest gear, but you have to audition lots of stuff in order to find what works best with your sources. ------- Grundig 4100 pcdp, porta corda II amp, Beyerdynamic dt990, etymotic er6s, G4 iMac w/ M-audio Sonica, iPod, Sony d66 Eggos, Sennheiser px200 <blockquote><em>Originally posted by contempt </em> [B]The sound quality of the B&O's are flawless. But they are a bit pricey at $170. I wear glasses too and they fit snugly. As for true audiophile quality, nothing beats a pair of Grado's. Absolutely the best sound quality. But if you're talking to the average mainstream set, all they know are sennheiser and sony's. Not even in the same league. Remember, I'm comparing audiophiles who spend about $10k on Mark Levinson amps and not someone who buys their stuff from Circuit City. It all comes down to personal preference and whether you'll be able to tell the difference. [/B]</blockquote> When you say Grado beats all Sony, and all Sennheisers, that’s not exactly the most accurate of statements.

Firstly, it depends on what model headphone you’re talking about, and the quality of your sources. For example, Senn 600s with an iPod and a rather nice Porta Corda II headphone amp can sound uninspiring. The Senn 600s need far better to really sing. Each model sounds so different that it’s too broad to say one brand beats another.

The Grados have always been far too bright for my taste. You could call them Grate-ohs. And at 32ohms impedence, they’re still not all that efficient, meaning they _have_to have an amp in order to sound their best. Models I’m referring to here are the sr40s, sr60s, sr80s, sr125s, sr 325s, and rs-2s. No, I haven’t heard the rs-1s. I currently own the sr60 and use them whenever I want an instant headache. They’re just too bright for my tastes although of course everyone has different preferences.

Most of the Sony headphones do suck…until you get into the realm of the v6 (not v600) or 7506, the D66 EGGO, the cd3000 and the r10. To say those suck means there’s probably something wrong with your other audio gear.

And lastly, I’d call the B&O a8s the king of the cheap earbuds. They’re reliable, they don’t distort too badly, but otherwise they’re not too accurate, and they lack in mids, lows and highs. But for cheap headphones they’re a bit pricey. If price isn’t an issue, then they’re not bad with pdas in that pdas are horrible audio sources and you’re not missing much sound-quality wise. And yes, I bought a pair in a moment of insanity.

But to say that _all_ Grados are better than _all_ Sonys and _all_ Sennheisers…and then turn around and say that B&O a8s are good.. well, maybe you should take a trip over to http://www.head-fi.org ;)

It’s not an audiophile snob thing. You can get awesome sound with modest gear, but you have to audition lots of stuff in order to find what works best with your sources.

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Grundig 4100 pcdp, porta corda II amp, Beyerdynamic dt990, etymotic er6s, G4 iMac w/ M-audio Sonica, iPod, Sony d66 Eggos, Sennheiser px200

Originally posted by contempt
[B]The sound quality of the B&O’s are flawless. But they are a bit pricey at $170. I wear glasses too and they fit snugly.

As for true audiophile quality, nothing beats a pair of Grado’s. Absolutely the best sound quality. But if you’re talking to the average mainstream set, all they know are sennheiser and sony’s. Not even in the same league. Remember, I’m comparing audiophiles who spend about $10k on Mark Levinson amps and not someone who buys their stuff from Circuit City.

It all comes down to personal preference and whether you’ll be able to tell the difference. [/B]

]]> By: Julie http://the-gadgeteer.com/2000/06/05/pal_pal_twistor_review/comment-page-1/#comment-14182 Julie Wed, 19 Feb 2003 20:54:33 +0000 #comment-14182 I bought a pair of B&O's A8's last night on eBay for $85 :D I can't wait to get them! I bought a pair of B&O’s A8′s last night on eBay for $85 :D
I can’t wait to get them!

]]> By: contempt http://the-gadgeteer.com/2000/06/05/pal_pal_twistor_review/comment-page-1/#comment-14181 contempt Wed, 19 Feb 2003 20:40:23 +0000 #comment-14181 The sound quality of the B&O's are flawless. But they are a bit pricey at $170. I wear glasses too and they fit snugly. As for true audiophile quality, nothing beats a pair of Grado's. Absolutely the best sound quality. But if you're talking to the average mainstream set, all they know are sennheiser and sony's. Not even in the same league. Remember, I'm comparing audiophiles who spend about $10k on Mark Levinson amps and not someone who buys their stuff from Circuit City. It all comes down to personal preference and whether you'll be able to tell the difference. The sound quality of the B&O’s are flawless. But they are a bit pricey at $170. I wear glasses too and they fit snugly.

As for true audiophile quality, nothing beats a pair of Grado’s. Absolutely the best sound quality. But if you’re talking to the average mainstream set, all they know are sennheiser and sony’s. Not even in the same league. Remember, I’m comparing audiophiles who spend about $10k on Mark Levinson amps and not someone who buys their stuff from Circuit City.

It all comes down to personal preference and whether you’ll be able to tell the difference.

]]> By: plainsong http://the-gadgeteer.com/2000/06/05/pal_pal_twistor_review/comment-page-1/#comment-14180 plainsong Wed, 12 Feb 2003 03:53:19 +0000 #comment-14180 The Gadgeteers are being attacked by crappy headphones! Run! Run! :o Really, I feel like I've been on a crusade lately against people suggesting overpriced under-achieving headphones. Basically, none of the Sonys except for the d66 Eggos (Japan only), V6 (NOT v600), 7506, cd3000 on up are any good. The rest give you bad sound at a high price. I promise you can do better. ;) The Koss plugs aren't very good either, and if you wanted to stick things in your ears, you'd be better off with Etymotic er6's. However, there are good Koss headphones to be found. The ksc-50, 55 are excellent, as are the portapros. It depends on your needs and the source of your audio really. A favorite of mine to pair with pdas is the Sennheiser px200, however none of my many headphones can make the Tungsten sound good. That audio patch was a joke. Before you buy some expensive low-quality Sonys, please check out.. <a href="www.headphone.com">www.headphone.com</a> Whew - the lone crusader against bad sound.. :cool: The Gadgeteers are being attacked by crappy headphones! Run! Run! :o

Really, I feel like I’ve been on a crusade lately against people suggesting overpriced under-achieving headphones. Basically, none of the Sonys except for the d66 Eggos (Japan only), V6 (NOT v600), 7506, cd3000 on up are any good. The rest give you bad sound at a high price. I promise you can do better. ;)

The Koss plugs aren’t very good either, and if you wanted to stick things in your ears, you’d be better off with Etymotic er6′s. However, there are good Koss headphones to be found. The ksc-50, 55 are excellent, as are the portapros.

It depends on your needs and the source of your audio really. A favorite of mine to pair with pdas is the Sennheiser px200, however none of my many headphones can make the Tungsten sound good. That audio patch was a joke.

Before you buy some expensive low-quality Sonys, please check out..

http://www.headphone.com

Whew – the lone crusader against bad sound.. :cool:

]]> By: kezza http://the-gadgeteer.com/2000/06/05/pal_pal_twistor_review/comment-page-1/#comment-14179 kezza Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:11:34 +0000 #comment-14179 I've never been able to wear ear buds for any length of time because my ears are too small, so instead I've been wearing the sony MDR-Q33 headphones. They're regular foarm-covered headphones that sit independently on each ear, no neck or head strap. they're quite comfortable (the plastic peices that hold them onto your ear are adjustable) and they're pretty inexpensive (mine were $30 at best buy last june, the price may have changed since then). I really can't praise them enough. In fact, after seeing mine, my sister ditched her iPod headphones (which were painful in her similarly small ears) for a pair of the Sony ones. <a href="" />Here's the page on sony's website</a> oh, and they feel just fine when wearing glasses. I’ve never been able to wear ear buds for any length of time because my ears are too small, so instead I’ve been wearing the sony MDR-Q33 headphones. They’re regular foarm-covered headphones that sit independently on each ear, no neck or head strap. they’re quite comfortable (the plastic peices that hold them onto your ear are adjustable) and they’re pretty inexpensive (mine were $30 at best buy last june, the price may have changed since then). I really can’t praise them enough.
In fact, after seeing mine, my sister ditched her iPod headphones (which were painful in her similarly small ears) for a pair of the Sony ones. Here’s the page on sony’s website

oh, and they feel just fine when wearing glasses.

]]> By: Julie http://the-gadgeteer.com/2000/06/05/pal_pal_twistor_review/comment-page-1/#comment-14178 Julie Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:16:10 +0000 #comment-14178 This look really cool, but they might not be comfortable for someone that wears glasses like myself. How expensive are they? This look really cool, but they might not be comfortable for someone that wears glasses like myself. How expensive are they?

]]> By: contempt http://the-gadgeteer.com/2000/06/05/pal_pal_twistor_review/comment-page-1/#comment-14177 contempt Mon, 10 Feb 2003 04:35:23 +0000 #comment-14177 the best and most stylish headphones by far are the bang and olufsen ones. i've had mine for almost two years now and gave another pair to my girlfriend who swears by them. the sound quality and comfort level can't be beat. neither the coolness factor. <a href="http://www.bang-olufsen.com/sw1612.asp">http://www.bang-olufsen.com/sw1612.asp</a> the best and most stylish headphones by far are the bang and olufsen ones. i’ve had mine for almost two years now and gave another pair to my girlfriend who swears by them. the sound quality and comfort level can’t be beat. neither the coolness factor.

http://www.bang-olufsen.com/sw1612.asp

]]> By: txcheng http://the-gadgeteer.com/2000/06/05/pal_pal_twistor_review/comment-page-1/#comment-14176 txcheng Sun, 09 Feb 2003 17:28:22 +0000 #comment-14176 I have been using a pair of Sony headphone for the past couple of years and they are the smallest pair you can find. Plus they fit in your ear like plugs which are wonderful at sealing out a lot of noise. Come with two different sizes depending on your ear size. I have always disliked the kind of earphone that easily falls out of my ear. These don't. <a href="http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=j9q8DEWL0ma8PHvNAYm2BwqHu61OPB5u2s8=?CatalogCategoryID=lwkKC0%2eNncYAAADzaeZwtDfx&ProductID=v0YKC0%2eN65wAAADz1%2eJwtDf1&Dept=acc">http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=j9q8DEWL0ma8PHvNAYm2BwqHu61OPB5u2s8=?CatalogCategoryID=lwkKC0%2eNncYAAADzaeZwtDfx&ProductID=v0YKC0%2eN65wAAADz1%2eJwtDf1&Dept=acc</a> If you can't get to the link the model number is MDR-EX70LP. Regards, Andy Cheng Plano, TX I have been using a pair of Sony headphone for the past couple of years and they are the smallest pair you can find. Plus they fit in your ear like plugs which are wonderful at sealing out a lot of noise. Come with two different sizes depending on your ear size. I have always disliked the kind of earphone that easily falls out of my ear. These don’t.

http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=j9q8DEWL0ma8PHvNAYm2BwqHu61OPB5u2s8=?CatalogCategoryID=lwkKC0%2eNncYAAADzaeZwtDfx&ProductID=v0YKC0%2eN65wAAADz1%2eJwtDf1&Dept=acc

If you can’t get to the link the model number is MDR-EX70LP.

Regards,

Andy Cheng
Plano, TX

]]> By: Julie http://the-gadgeteer.com/2000/06/05/pal_pal_twistor_review/comment-page-1/#comment-14175 Julie Sun, 09 Feb 2003 15:41:21 +0000 #comment-14175 Thanks, I'll have to check them out! Thanks, I’ll have to check them out!

]]> By: madkins007 http://the-gadgeteer.com/2000/06/05/pal_pal_twistor_review/comment-page-1/#comment-14174 madkins007 Sun, 09 Feb 2003 15:18:26 +0000 #comment-14174 Koss makes a great pair of earbuds with nice soft replaceable earpieces to them called 'The Plug'. They come with a nice coin-purse type pouch and run for about $20 at Target, etc. Radio Shack offers a similar product- probably made by Koss, for about the same price but easier to find. Part number #33-167. I am using the Shack's versions and find them very secure and comfortable with my T-665's MP3 system and other applications. I generally carry them with me in either in my pocket or gear bag- they pack away small and light. Koss makes a great pair of earbuds with nice soft replaceable earpieces to them called ‘The Plug’. They come with a nice coin-purse type pouch and run for about $20 at Target, etc.

Radio Shack offers a similar product- probably made by Koss, for about the same price but easier to find. Part number #33-167.

I am using the Shack’s versions and find them very secure and comfortable with my T-665′s MP3 system and other applications. I generally carry them with me in either in my pocket or gear bag- they pack away small and light.

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